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George Riddick said,

8-15-2007 in 14:11:14 at 71.197.1.218    

We have only seen the tip of the the iceberg as to the economic impact (here … not in China) of all of this. I simply do not believe we are rushing to help out this country grow economically in so many ways while they continue to undermine us in every way imaginable. From endangering our children with magnets and lead, to wiping out our pets with contaminated dogfood, to strealing our movies, songs, and art, to replicating all of our icons and other valuable symbols of our free society.

This is just stealing … pure and simple stealing. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know this is evil.

What, exactly, has the Bush administration done to curtail this growing problem?

Virtually nothing from what I can see.

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West said,

8-15-2007 in 15:30:59 at 190.3.91.26    

George you said “replicating all our icons”. Take a look and tell me if either of the above pictures are any a US company ;) .
Dont be an american please.

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Parker said,

8-15-2007 in 15:51:02 at 209.173.84.241    

Vauxhall is owned by an American company. And Daewoo is 44% owned by GM.

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Eric said,

8-16-2007 in 06:41:07 at 76.114.9.201    

That’s because American cars mostly suck. I know, I’m an American, and have owned 2 American cars. My current one is holding up despite being a 91 because it only had 60,000 miles put on it in the first 13 years of it’s life. Once it dies, I’m buying a foreign car because they last longer and break down less.

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Mike said,

8-16-2007 in 06:45:50 at 131.215.251.31    

You don’t have to buy shitty products from China, but you do. Everyone does. It’s cheap. They’re the ones exploiting their workforce.

And how the hell do magnets endanger children?

I’d venture to guess you know very little about what it takes to be a rocket scientist, given that you label a billion people ‘evil’ based on these pictures.

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Levi said,

8-16-2007 in 06:46:38 at 69.11.73.203    

“endangering our children with magnets and lead, to wiping out our pets with contaminated dogfood”
These are due to economic factors and not any sort of malicious cultural intent. You can bet that Chinese citizens are subjected to even worse treatment by corporations cutting corners. Do you forget that plenty of American corporations also expose us to toxic chemicals?

“to strealing our movies, songs, and art”
Movies, songs and art, as you refer to them, cannot be stolen simply because they are not a possession TO be stolen. They are experiences, and experiences can only be withheld, to the detriment of everyone. We are approaching a global culture and exclusionist mindsets will change. It looks as though the propaganda campaign advanced by dying institutions like the RIAA is working.

“to replicating all of our icons and other valuable symbols of our free society”
A wise man once said, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”

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bssn said,

8-16-2007 in 06:49:41 at 222.74.48.63    

I’m sorry to hear that, and I am from China, though I know many countries copy our country’s products, this is not a good custom. :(

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. said,

8-16-2007 in 06:51:32 at 86.0.214.74    

Vauxhall is based in the UK.

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Frances said,

8-16-2007 in 06:54:26 at 212.8.184.2    

Just wait for the other shoe to drop: in a few years’ time the Chinese will be developing their own intellectual property that they will want to sell to the West.
Then it’s up to us to just blatantly copy the good bits and sell knock offs of their products.

Sit back and watch them go ballistic over our shameful, dishonorable and blatantly stealing of their precious, inalienable, more-worth-than-all-the-money-in-the-universe intellectual property.

Then you flip them the bird and tell them: “Karma, bitch! Do you speak it!”

Although they copy entire product lines and companies, they are -very- much the guys who don’t know where to find a clue. Their products are cheap [their cars have been repelled from the European market twice because they were about as safe as sitting on a Claymore mine] and lack any style and finesse.
Anyone seen their ‘version’ of the iPhone with the ‘better features’? Painfully ugly, atrocious interface. Of course, their users aren’t used to seeing truly superior design [other then what they rip off] that is not of their original culture [they have made some really nice art].

Still, what they do industrially I don’t care about: 1/6 the world population, 1/8 the world sweet water supply. And they’re polluting it like there’s no tomorrow. You think all Chinese are going to be driving an SUV in 10 years? Do the math, I don’t think so.

What really bothers me about the Chinese is what they’re doing to Tibet.

-That- is disgusting.

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Pooker said,

8-16-2007 in 06:55:19 at 82.47.107.73    

Yeah but they weren’t designed by americans numb nuts… damn i hate americans…

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Noddegamra said,

8-16-2007 in 06:57:54 at 86.159.77.60    

lol that is really bad. China are great for copying stuff!

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Damien said,

8-16-2007 in 07:01:26 at 58.104.112.22    

Evil, George? Puh-lease. Lighten up. Sure the Chinese are being sneaky in emulating certain products but I think it’s a testament to their intelligence and ingenuity.

I applaud their persistence to retrieve and share knowledge. Not horde it like a desperate man who overcharges for information or takes his secrets to the grave, metaphorically speaking.

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Symen said,

8-16-2007 in 07:02:11 at 62.177.176.50    

@George: “I simply do not believe we are rushing to help out this country grow economically”

Because there are always two sides to a Coin.

Don’t forget:
- The US lives on borrowed money, China provided us with the second biggest amount of all countries worldwide (japan 1st)
- We dump all our High-Tech trash in China
- The need for more diplomacy and protective but open markets and foreign policy between the US and China. This is vital for our economic growth in the future.

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Remy said,

8-16-2007 in 07:02:59 at 203.220.22.139    

Vauxhall is actually Holden, an Australian car company.

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Anonymous said,

8-16-2007 in 07:03:20 at 121.44.34.70    

@ Parker: That Vauxhall car actually looks like what we Australian’s call a Holden. See the logo? It’s a lion with a sphere. Search Holden in google images. And Holden in Australian owned. Not American owned.

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Clinton said,

8-16-2007 in 07:04:30 at 65.34.120.39    

@George – Magnets? Since when did magnets become a problem? I’ve got news for you we’re bathed in magnetic fields constantly and they’re not coming from from children’s toys. I don’t think magnets are a problem to children unless they’re choking on them and then that’s not really a problem solely intrinsic to magnets is it.

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Anonymous said,

8-16-2007 in 07:05:48 at 121.44.34.70    

Oh yeah and that is most definitely not a Vauxhall car. The logo is different. I forgot to mention.

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giek said,

8-16-2007 in 07:08:30 at 125.163.248.221    

nice car wow

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aliron said,

8-16-2007 in 07:15:03 at 69.106.201.6    

Are these exported outside of China? If not, I don’t see how they are hurting other companies other than their profit margins inside China, and at the going rate of the Chinese Yen it’s almost impossible for most people there to afford genuine import cars. It’s hardly “evil.”

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Sami said,

8-16-2007 in 07:21:07 at 193.67.113.2    

Well, at the moment USA is borrowing US Dollars from China in order to buy chinese cars, but that’s not the issue here. Toyota, Honda, BMW, Rolls-Royce, Mercedes… yeah, American companies… rite…

That is not stealing. That is not evil. And it’s not even wrong.

…According to Chinese laws.

China is still a communist country and very much like old Soviet Union, China doesn’t have similar copyright laws as most of the western countries have.

In western countries these things would be crimes, but under communism, where in theory you don’t “own” anything, how can you “own” a design or an idea?

What could Bush administration do? Piss off China? China does have 1.33 Trillion dollars just laying around, so flooding the market would inflate dollar. Is that what Bush administration should do? Piss China off so they will crash US economy? Was it a good idea to separate dollar from federal gold reserves, huh?

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anne cronn said,

8-16-2007 in 07:26:15 at 87.192.134.34    

A counry that enslaves its own population and that of neigbouring states and gets nothing but slaps on the back from europe and the US is the most worrying development in modern economics, morals and hope. Alowing the Chnese govenment to continue with its whitewashing of public knowledge…thanks google….as well as allowing the olympics to be held there is an act of criminality. I urge you to boycott cheap chinese products EVERYWHERE

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trinity said,

8-16-2007 in 07:26:22 at 71.107.85.17    

What happened when Microsoft outright COPIED the Mac GUI? Or when the guys from Apple copied it from the researchers at Xerox PARC?

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Mitio said,

8-16-2007 in 07:31:07 at 62.156.183.195    

Is Vauxhall not Opel, which is owned by VW ?

and doesnt Lexus sort of do the same thing, but only borrowing from both Merc and BMW at the same time?

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Matt Bland said,

8-16-2007 in 07:31:34 at 217.46.216.1    

Although these cars look the same cosmetically, they are built very differently. I would expect that they would fail many of the safety tests the originals would pass.

Building a clone of a door that fits onto the original model of car is easy. Making sure that it meets the same critera is hard and expensive.

The chinese market demands expensive western goods, but they don’t want to pay western prices. So, the cloners come in and copy everything in sight. It’s hardly surprising when we’ve all outsourced our manufacturing to China, that they use our blueprints and intellectual property to supply cheap copies to the local market when enforcement is so hard.

However, they’ll cut every concievable corner to keep the price low.

[arrived via Digg]

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Plarker said,

8-16-2007 in 07:35:22 at 62.189.108.220    

The frontera is the exact same vehicle as the Isuzu Mu. GM own 12% of Isuzu and I suppose brand the vehicles for some fee or other. And Daewoo… Classic American design.

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ACormier said,

8-16-2007 in 07:37:09 at 64.132.230.114    

George…

What are we doing?

Attacking Iraq and Iran they plot everything you know, including the copying of patents, the poisoning of our beloved animals, and the endangering of small children with lead and magnets.

Didn’t Bush explain this to everyone already? Or is that just GOP insider knowledge.

:)

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Stirrer said,

8-16-2007 in 07:37:39 at 81.178.217.183    

There’s no worry for US car companies. We all know they can’t design for sh!t.

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paul said,

8-16-2007 in 07:38:23 at 195.173.15.80    

just what that politician said the other day “China are not our friends, or our enemies, they are our competitors.” In other words, Deal with it!

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steven said,

8-16-2007 in 07:38:37 at 213.39.221.5    

China acts awkward. A country that seems to have no reputation nor the potential of supporting their own citicens in growing up to cultured classes.

BMW, MAN and Mercedes are german. The chinese already sued a german blogger for mentioning the similar formfactor of the MAN bus.

They also stole a whole magnetic train-technology from germany, named Transrapid.

Needless to say that in germany like in the USA we give a FUCK of what the chinese moron government says. We still have the freedom of speech here. China has to learn that. They are still a developing nation, no matter how many small cheap products they make for us.

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kaos said,

8-16-2007 in 07:38:40 at 75.195.198.162    

HAHA
they are stealing all Out Icons?
Daewoo bein part owned by GM…who cares.

granted the chinese are in effect powering their economy via saturation of inferior products… but for every producer thier is a consumer. Before anyone complains about the chinese products just count how many things on your desk are made their…?
How far do you really go to ensure you buy American?

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Pollmak said,

8-16-2007 in 07:42:38 at 194.201.66.7    

You could say that this is the price, we in the west pay for cheap stuff, from the east. For now it’s a good laugh, but I bet the Motor manufactures are keep a very close Eye on these mimics…
Besides the growth in Paten Liability cases from Giant corps. suing each other is holding back innovation.
I would not buy chinees innovation or a china brand vehicle, but would consider it if the quality/cost ratio increases and it will over time.

You have to admire the tenacity of China and other developing countries. Their work rate/cost makes the west look lazy and greedy in comparison.

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Cody said,

8-16-2007 in 07:42:54 at 75.44.59.89    

Since when does a crime have to be against the US for an American to be angry about it? I’d like to think we’re not that shallow and self-absorbed.

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Ryan said,

8-16-2007 in 07:44:40 at 207.181.7.123    

And what do you care if the Chinese people drive cheap imitations? The tax on imported cars in Asia is insane! A $50k car here in the US can easily cost an upwards of $120k in China for the same damn car!

And in regards to all the scandal that has been recently happening with manufacturing in China, is the US infallible? How else would you be able to afford the computer you’re using to type this response with? If we manufactured all that shit ourselves on US soil, I guarantee you we would not be able to compete with the slave wages of China.

So next before you start mouthing off about how “evil” China is, do your homework. And like West said, don’t be an ignorant American.

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Andydread said,

8-16-2007 in 07:58:37 at 75.117.39.231    

Vauxhall and Daewoo are hardly American icons. You can’t even buy them here – Sorry. What strikes me is that if they have the prowess to build cars then why do copy the designs of others.

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hawk said,

8-16-2007 in 08:15:39 at 217.43.243.109    

George Riddick = Captain America?

Copyright infringement is not theft.

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hermies said,

8-16-2007 in 08:17:32 at 202.7.176.133    

Dudes, stop talking shit. Go learn something about the car industry!
These “evil clones” as u call them are nothing more than liscened reproductions. Old equiptment is sold off to generate revenue, The last one on the page is clearly not a copy other than a similar badge. But all the rest are not cheap knockoffs. They are made by different companies using almost exactly the same manufacturing equiptment, and sometimes in the same factory. This would only be illegal if they were actually being badged them as mercedes and toyota’s etc. This headline is incredibly defamatory and is totally innacurate. CAW should be ashamed.

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Chris said,

8-16-2007 in 08:17:42 at 59.100.218.66    

Thankyou Parker, i agree. Holden/Vouxhall/GM, they all are changing americanised, not only that, whos letting this happen, were all worried obout other copyright infringments such as piracy of dvds,cds,clothing etc, heres the big picture, and its happening because the majority of population buys these because they are cheap and economically easyier on the back pocket.
This needs to stop…. whos ever job it may be….

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daos said,

8-16-2007 in 08:59:47 at 213.115.65.82    

i think poor george (aside from being american which is not his fault, though he should learn to grow up and take responsiblilty for it) is misguidedly attempting a defence of the “icons” of the “free” western world. misguided since our so called free market economy is built upon the opression and exploitation of amongst others, the chinese. they are of course also responsible (as a nation) for their own actions but nevertheless. so i say go ahead and rip off what you want. it’s smart and it may just help to bring us (in the west) to our senses and realise how much false value is attached to all those ridiculous “icons”. let’s face it, everyone knows that driving a mercedes benz makes you worth more as a human being.

by the way, rocket scientists are not inherently evil. they tend to be reclusive, intelligent, highly focused academic types. they occsaionaly make earth shattering discoveries which are later misappropriated by evil people. an example: alfred nobel = pacifist scientist = good. george bush = idiot with a lot of power = very very evil.

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8-16-2007 in 08:59:51 at 64.111.122.9    

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graham said,

8-16-2007 in 09:11:16 at 124.170.147.9    

Vauxhall??? that’s a holden logo and they are australian

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bond007gems said,

8-16-2007 in 09:44:54 at 202.58.134.20    

Even some Korean companies are in the same league. The earlier Hyundai Sonata was a replica of Jaguar and the new one is on the lines of the new Honda Accord!
There is nothing more blatant.
I am sure none of the cars above compare to the real thing else China will be exporting to the rest of the worls… with their prices they will capture the entire market!
Reliablity though is a completely different issue… well… not really. Its not there at all! Its true for their cars and for all other products they manufacture.
For the record- even an apple ipod is manufactured in China. Not long before other companies have to recall their products because of manufacturing issues in China.
You get what you pay for!

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Sami said,

8-16-2007 in 09:55:35 at 193.67.113.2    

hermies: Is that so? That is very intelligent. Why should the factories go to waste. Perfectly good machinery, and huge factories are not so cheap to build. That’s proper recycling.

Although, my first post still stands: China doesn’t have the same copyright laws than western countries have, regardless wether this particular case is copyright violation or not. Can’t do anything about it. Sorry.

daos: I suppose you were pointing towards operation paperclip and von Brown with that rocket scientist thingie?

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Vahn said,

8-16-2007 in 10:50:02 at 71.101.9.4    

China, me being half Chinese and saying this, is the land of bootlegs. As Levi is right on several of the posts I read, I don’t care to repeat what he or she has said…

Oh, and honestly, as for China keeping their labor cheap? Just wait until China becomes fully capitalist, then other countries will be utterly f–screwed.

Also, you can buy Daewoo in America, only they’re hard to come across. I forget why, but whatever.

Lastly, Chinese money isn’t yen. That’s Japanese. Chinese currency is yuan or renminbi (or the hong kong dollar if you’re in Hong Kong). They use the same symbol, but the symbol is Chinese~.

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George Riddick said,

8-16-2007 in 12:01:20 at 71.197.1.218    

Wow … I’ve never seen such an enthusiastic response to a blog entry. I really appreciate the different points of view … both those that criticize my opinion and those that support it.

Let me clarify a few things that have been said. I by no meeans meant to say that a billion Chinese people were evil. I admire their culture, even though I must admit, I don’t know all that much about it. I hope to visit China again later this year.

I also didn’t mean to come over as a biased American. I speak for the European, South American, Asian, and other countries as well when I talk about the importance of copyright protection. Hundreds of countries signed the WIPO treatries in the late 90′s. I only say, if you didn’t intend to comply with the international treatries, then why did you sign them?

I blame the American government officials as much as anyone else for the copyright “situation” I now see in China and other emerging countries/economies as well. We have not done a very job of enforcing and protecting our intellectual property assets among ourselves in this country (just look at all the lawsuits on this topic), so how can we really expect other cultures to follow our lead?

Lastly, I do not believe that taking somone else hard earned proerty (even if it simply ideas and/or designs) and adopting them for your own personal gain is fair or just. To me its just common sense. It’s not rying to pit one culture against another.

All of the hateful remarks about Americans don’t seem to be justified based on what I wrote.

My opinion, anyway.

George

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Arby said,

8-16-2007 in 12:17:39 at 70.49.20.157    

Brilliant discussion here. (Pfft!)
First off NONE of this has to do with copyrights. You don’t copyright a car design. You get a design patent.

And to the guy that thinks it will be “karma” to turn around and not buy Chinese designed products… Well I’ve got news for you. When EVERYTHING is made in China, what do you think will happen if we boycot their products? They could easily cut us off from everything you take for granted on a daily basis. WE, the West are China’s bitch.

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George Riddick said,

8-16-2007 in 12:17:41 at 71.197.1.218    

P.S. I read in the news earlier this week that the magnets were not attached properly to these toys and they could easily be swallowed by children (or adults for that matter). I doubt this many would be reclled if there weren’t some very serious public safety risks here.

Are those of you who seem to hate Americans trying to say it is our own fault that our children may be placed in danger?

Certainly I’ve seen an equal number of recalls withing our own borders, but the Chinese problems seem to be growing faster than most these days.

I personally believe child labor abuses are evil regardless of what culture they occur in.

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straydog scraps » Scraps And Morsels 20070817 said,

8-16-2007 in 12:25:46 at 165.21.154.10    

[...] The world of creative advertising » The Chinese fully ignore copyrights [...]

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taiwanese said,

8-16-2007 in 15:02:13 at 81.159.8.232    

well the ppl in charge in china sure have evil intent. this kinda thing goes on all the time. Usually they steal, copy, “take inspiration from?” the stuff from anyone who manufactures in china. Anyway, the world keeps on feeding the dragon because at the end of the day they need to pay for the cheap junk thats possible with the cheap(some say exploited?) workforce. Heck they have the Olympic games next year so one of the largest human rights abusers on the planet gets another boost, brilliant.
-Taiwanese

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Kira said,

8-16-2007 in 17:34:04 at 121.79.2.135    

From the Vauxhall website. The marks appearing on this website including, but not limited to: (i) GM and the GM Logo; (ii) Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, Saturn and HUMMER and their respective logos, emblems, slogans and vehicle model names and body designs; and (iii) other marks such as Saab, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall, GMAC (UK) plc. and ACDELCO are trademarks and/or service marks of General Motors Corporation, its subsidiaries, affiliates or licensors.
So officially it is owned by an American Company but made in the UK. However the vehicle logo shown is from the Australian Holden not the Vauxhall. Other British Marques such as Morris, MG, Austin etc are now owned by BMW.

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lbytesxk said,

8-16-2007 in 17:54:03 at 12.163.172.130    

I for one rather the Chinese cut us off of their toxic crap. That would lead to not one but possible two good things here in America.
1. No more toxic crap.
2. A great influx of domestic industrial investment.

People who think/know/believe etc. that America can’t design, produce, manufacture etc are mistaken. Cheap labor is one of the biggest economic advantage a country can have. Why would anyone invest in a toy manufacturing –for example – factory in America when there is no way in hell they could produce cheaper than in China?
Americans and possible even recent immigrants would be reluctant to work 10-15 hours a day for a couple of bucks. Not to mention here in America, for some odd reason, it is illegal to exploit children by employing them in sweatshops by the million.

Finally I just wish point out that the “They could easily cut us off from everything you take for granted on a daily basis.” statement is slightly exaggerated.
Aside from the wheat gluten and the toxic toys with lose magnets I can’t think of a single item I have or use on a daily basis that comes from China and I couldn’t live without.

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Levi said,

8-16-2007 in 21:04:14 at 69.11.73.203    

“I for one rather the Chinese cut us off of their toxic crap. That would lead to not one but possible two good things here in America.
1. No more toxic crap.”

Interesting point, and totally bogus. American companies are doing just fine exposing us to toxic crap, they don’t need China’s help for that. Everything from dryer sheets to vegetables to printers make sure we maintain a decent profile of toxic exposure every day. :)

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Uncle B said,

8-16-2007 in 22:35:46 at 216.168.112.197    

If the dirty bastard lawyers and shit head owners of patents were not so goddamn greedy we would all have better lives – This’ll teach the greedy shits – China is going to bypass you whole bloodsucking parasitic bunch and give us something we deserve – a fair break in the marketplace. Just wait until they see what you have on your patent books – they’ll probably die laughing at your petty greedy profit centered, shareholder oriented notions and produce great riches for their own country and ours too copying your “owned” crap and better. Same for drug rights – American companies got greedy and the Chinese and other Asians are going to kick their fat, out of shape asses with a more profitable and equitable equation. Enjoy your gas guzzling Caddies for now you fat cats, because the competition is here and its hungry and its Asian!

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theCopyCat.biz » Blog Archive » Copycars said,

8-17-2007 in 18:07:01 at 77.55.70.2    

[...] have another break from hunting for music copycats. Here you can read nice blog entry about Chinese car companies not caring about copyrights (some examples [...]

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BundyGil said,

8-17-2007 in 18:12:43 at 58.109.14.77    

Remember when the Japanese copied everything….badly? Now they sweep the world with their products and everyone falls over themselves to buy their quality.

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Vahn said,

8-17-2007 in 18:38:38 at 71.101.9.4    

Another thing: I love how people say, “The ones in charge of China are evil!” Have you seen your own leadership? All leaders are corrupt. All of them. They lie and steal like crazy. If you don’t see it, you’re extremely ignorant. And if you say your countries are evil, then what about Kim Jong Il? The guy’s a beaming psycho who controls how North Koreans BREATHE.

@lbytesxk, do you know why they use lead paint? The legal limit in the states for lead being used in paint is .06 or so… Lead, of course, is highly toxic, as are other chemicals in certain doses. Th reason products are recalled because of lead paint (in the US) is because the quantity of lead surpasses the permitted amount. However, that being said, it’s used because it resists the sun’s damage (color fading) and some water damage, as why it would be used on ships’ hulls.

Before people point the finger, perhaps they need to evaluate where they stand first, and secondly to get their facts straight. It helps if people watch the news and read factual articles, but it seems as if that’s a dying trend with today’s hateful youth… (I’m 18 in a few days, and yes, I’m part of that youth, only I’m not spiteful and angry at the world.)

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Chinese Namaakauto’s | MAFIA Blog said,

8-18-2007 in 08:29:08 at 195.47.247.95    

[...] ongelooflijk dat er op 1 miljard chinezen geen deftige autodesigners tussen [...]

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lbytesxk said,

8-18-2007 in 11:14:18 at 71.231.58.183    

Dear Vohn.
I am not hateful towards the Chinese nor any other group. I simply stated FACTS, yes some of their products have toxic and or undesirable elements, (lead in toys, melamine in pet food, anti freeze in toothpaste)yes I blame the cheap labor for the shape the domestic manufacturing industry is in. That’s becasue I am an American. I wish the Chinese well, I wish their industry, economy and lives would continue to strive and flourish. I just don’t think it has to be to the expense of our economy, industry and lives, literally.
As for the lead paint, I understand the reason but it doesn’t make it right. The simple fact is that the recalled toys contain lead levels that are above the safe and thus considered toxic. Why? Because excess levels of lead can and will lead to brain defects especially in case of children. The end result in this case simply doesn’t justify the means.

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Tom T Hall said,

8-18-2007 in 11:34:55 at 75.42.69.43    

the the person who stated other nations are copying China’s product — ARE YOU DUMB? What products??? Chinese invent nothing (that would require them to be innovative)…. they steal and we help them. They suck

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mossel said,

8-19-2007 in 16:43:33 at 84.83.22.190    

JMC Landwind is a copy of the Isuzu Rodeo but so are Opel Frontera (EU), Vauxhall Frontera (UK) and Holden Frontera (Aus and NZ). It is a licensed car.

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Van said,

8-20-2007 in 01:59:46 at 208.120.176.75    

@Tom T Hall, here are some things that were invented in china.
1) Paper making
2) Paper money
3) Gunpowder
4) Printing
5) Modern day sail design

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vahn said,

8-20-2007 in 11:29:58 at 71.167.78.227    

Ibytesxk, you’re right, that it does cause brain damage, but I don’t believe .07 would cause noticeable brain damage as opposed to .06, per say. As said, all elements are poisonous in certain doses. It’s the concentration of it, and the toys may not be necessarily toxic, only higher than the concentration alloted for being legally safe in the states.

And at Tom T Hall, I believe that’s the Japanese you’re talking about. The Chinese invented many things–including *gasp* GUNPOWDER. It was invented for FIREWORKS to celebrate or chase away evil spirits, and even chase away the Japanese. (Used like rockets.) Not to mention that, you know, the Chinese are attributed with inventing paper money, the abacus, crossbows, compasses, silk, TOILET PAPER, LAND MINES, etc. gb2/b/ you racist, uninformed biggot. Take some history lessons!

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Chinese Cars - Haven't We Seen These Somewhere Before? » Developages - Development and Technology Blog said,

8-20-2007 in 11:58:11 at 204.13.53.30    

[...] [Creative Advertising World] [...]

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Weon » Blog Archive » Afraid of Copyright? said,

8-20-2007 in 14:16:42 at 74.54.16.82    

[...] be infringing copyright in some way then check out how to really do it in style by taking a look at these totally, 100% original car designs from the largest emerging power in the [...]

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DRD1812 said,

8-20-2007 in 14:32:43 at 205.240.80.3    

Look, I don’t know if this has been corrected above because I got tired of reading misinformation. Opel is German. Vauxhall is British. Most of their cars are rebadges of the same vehicle, with the Opels being LHD and the VX’s being RHD. Occasionally they offer a rebadged Holden as well. Holden is Australian. And all three of these are owned by GM.

Opel/Vauxhalls are coming to the US now as Saturns. (Saturn, as a brand, probably shouldn’t exist. We should just sell Opels here as Opels, like we used to do.) The Monaro came to the US badged as a Pontiac, and we’re getting a few more (which is nice, Australian cars are more like American cars than American cars are nowadays.)

Incidentally, the Holden that game to the US badged as a Pontiac was called the GTO here, which is an icon. It’s a bit of a stretch to say China’s stealing our icons. It would be nice to see some designs out of China that were unique, though. And, I dunno, maybe for the companies in China to pay the original designers for their work.

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Fozzie said,

8-21-2007 in 03:39:21 at 193.25.116.40    

Vauxhall was created in London around 1907,
Became a whole owned subsidiary of GM in 1925,
Opel is a Branch of GM based in mainland Europe.
As with Holden, but based in Australia.
Hope that clears the vauxhall “discussion”
;)

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Technical world - All about technical things » Chinese Cars - Haven’t We Seen These Somewhere Before? said,

8-21-2007 in 05:15:02 at 72.22.69.156    

[...] [Creative Advertising World] [...]

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Made-in-China said,

8-21-2007 in 11:28:30 at 89.243.249.113    

hey,everybody,if you think Chinese make most out of the products they sell abroad!
You are wrong, most of the big companies, factories, are foreign owned, or joinedly owned by foreign and chinese bosses! We all forget this! If you think Chinese is exploiting chinese, can you ask KFC or Mc. Donald’s to pay Chinese staff 10 dollars an hour?
Also, if things made in China are sold as expensive as things made in USA, i bet you most of us living in America won’t know what silk looks like!will you pay 5 times price more for your Nike shoes if they are made in the states? Chinese people are working hard to improve your life, not damaging!!!

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shocking said,

8-21-2007 in 11:37:59 at 89.243.249.113    

just learned that the boss of the toy factory which made the toxic toys,he took suicide!
it is reported that his factory workers stayed there for the police investigation as the owner treated his staff like family.the paint for the toys is from his close friend, who owns the paint factory next door. They had been doing business for years. He trusted him so much that he could not face the fact that his close friend made the toxic paint!it is a tragedy!
i just put this up, just to wish those who hate China, Chinese, will know the truth.

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Specvdriver said,

8-21-2007 in 14:38:11 at 157.22.246.74    

For you idiots wondering about children and magnets, the magnets are not secured properly to the toys, fall off and children ingest them.

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andybee said,

8-21-2007 in 20:32:58 at 70.70.30.138    

some very uneducated people telling other people incorrect info!

GM Own Holden, Isuzu( whoose design it originally was), Vauxhall, Opel and Daewoo.

Holden is an Australian Product, Vauxhall is UK, Opel is mainly Europe (except UK), Japan and some other countries. Regardless, they are all owned by GM, which is American.

The ‘GM’ car picture, was sold as a Holden Frontera, Isuzu (various names in different markets), Opel and VauxhallF Frontera (and no doubt others)in its lifetime.

Daewoo is now obsolete in most markets, with the Chevrolet badge often replacing it. In North America, the Aveo is designed and produced by, what was Korea

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first_synn said,

8-22-2007 in 10:22:31 at 165.21.155.113    

Poisoning people, eh.. bad chinese.. bad.. bad..

Say, Remember that spunky lass Erin Brocovich? Remember the guys she whooped in a courtroom? Which country did THEY belong to?

P.S. Google “Union Carbide”. Those are the guys who killed a few thousand Indians with poisonous gases. And don’t even get me started on Hiroshima…

P.P.S. But yes, copying designs sucks monkeyballs..

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PurpleLambo said,

8-22-2007 in 20:53:31 at 82.34.208.198    

Lazy ass copy cats. They cant mess with GM coz its the worlds biggest car manufacturer. They cant mess with Rolls Royce coz BMW will be pissed and they Cant mess with honda coz honda is honda. but they can mess with daewoo. I think that we should all burn down their factories coz the REAL car manufaturers makes the cars looks better thn that chinese crap. My theory is that China cant understand ENGLISH AND THEY DONT UNDERSTAND WHATS COPYRIGHT.COPYRIGHT IS WHEN YOU COPY SOMEONE ELSE’S WORK WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION SO WHY DONT YOU CLOSE DOWN YOUR FACTORIES AND CONTINUE MAKING TOYS OUT OF PLASTIC AND DANGEROUS MATERIALS AND LET NAC CONTINUE THE MG PROJECT.

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Racealistic said,

8-23-2007 in 04:22:53 at 87.211.147.45    

The chinese people are everywhere in each country
in each street. chinese peeps do it too much

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Dagon2008 said,

8-24-2007 in 12:03:00 at 211.158.38.168    

i am now living in P.R.China and i am watching you guys discussing about this issue and feel like that you are all so funny. Come on! It a age of globalization since you guys can no longer produce price-competitive products then you Americans should shut up and wait for us to give you “trash” to eat and to do anythings. All you guys need to do are to give your money to us and go back to fuck your personal affairs.

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catdog said,

8-30-2007 in 12:12:08 at 222.146.123.175    

They are not all copies !! The fact is with most of these Chinese version cars that look like brands you know, is that they are all old models in the west and Japan, the big car makers simply sell the molds/design etc to the Chinese car makers and they add a Chinese engine or other domestic parts, I know I owned and drove a Landwind in China.its the same deal with motorcycles.

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GW Bush said,

8-30-2007 in 14:38:20 at 67.40.28.29    

@Dagon2008

Die.

Hugs and Kisses, the U.S.A.

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Tiger SF said,

8-30-2007 in 15:39:49 at 71.146.100.223    

In an age where technological advances moved so rapidly, the patent or copyright laws were basically formulated at another era. In fact, the protection given for these ideas, inventions or designs is much too long. The problem is companies are sitting on so-called patents to stifle innovations or competitions, and often did nothing with the patent but use it to blackmail companies which did. In America business methods are patentable, but outside of U.S. they are not. Elvis had been dead so long but his foundation and heirs are still collecting loyalty! If you look at Lexus designs and compare them to Mercedes or BMW, see any similarity? In a world of globalization, ideas, images, designs flow back and forth and hybrids fly here and there. The Chinese basically already adopted the attitude that they could not hide behind their patents if they have any as they are pretty realistic about enforcement of patent violations. So without such protection, the only way to survive economically as a business is to continue churning out products cheaply with designs the consumers want. The way things are going in China, European and American design firms are already operating in China offering their design expertise. And to produce cheaply, Chinese manufacturers are buying some old designs from the West. Shanghai Auto bought Land Rover at an auction and bought the designs and machineries and toolings. With globalization, cross breeding of ideas is an inevitable outcome. American manufacturers will copy too if they deem certain product of certain design or patent they don’t own if they can get away with it. Robert Kearns’ patented intermittent powered windshield wiper was demonstrated to Ford Motor and which introduced the intermittent wipers in 1978. Other automakers soon followed. Quess what, Robert Kerns spent years in litigation and eventually won multimillion dollar judgments. This didn’t happen in China. And the way the legal system is setup in the US, lots of inventors saw their inventions and ideas stolen in America but couldn’t do a thing because it is costly to litigate. US government isn’t going to do a thing for you.

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Tiger SF said,

8-30-2007 in 15:51:39 at 71.146.100.223    

As an American, calling the Chinese “evil” is like calling all the Arabs or Muslims “terrorists.” If you have that simplistic mindset, you are fed too long the poison diet of American propaganda since 9/11.

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Matt Keegan said,

8-30-2007 in 17:51:56 at 71.77.44.227    

China doesn’t respect copyrights and they don’t respect human rights — what else should we expect from a communist government?

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TigerSF said,

8-31-2007 in 16:01:58 at 71.146.92.54    

Do we respect human rights? Ask those people in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq… for a start. If you are blind to what our government is doing, then don’t cry if you are blind-sided…

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China's iClone - World Affairs Board said,

9-3-2007 in 09:40:16 at 66.246.72.93    

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China's iClone - World Affairs Board said,

9-3-2007 in 09:59:10 at 66.246.72.93    

[...] The world of creative advertising

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Ruger06 said,

9-3-2007 in 18:42:06 at 70.104.144.162    

TigerSF,
We may not have a perfect human rights record, but compared to some of the things China and other countries are doing we fare much better on that issue. Did the Taliban care about human rights? How about Saddam Hussien? Who’s human rights are being violated inside our country currently? Now compare to China.

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Initial.d said,

9-5-2007 in 05:28:54 at 125.160.207.132    

@purplelambo
ENGLISH is nothing but just a language, maybe you are the fool one coz dont understand chinese so you can know our culture!

Communist government is really suck! but you can’t said all of chinese people so bad as you said before.

Don’t be so proude because you came from west.

For most asian people, west and mostly american is very bad guy.

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Tommyt said,

9-11-2007 in 22:26:21 at 74.108.232.32    

If its wrong ,getting fake CDs and DVDs from china ,why are the govts in Europe and North america ,(US ,Canada UK )etc ,being chicken and not doing nothing about it ,even now ,all small item factories (were) are closing down,due to cheap products from china,and after this the whole western economy will drop like potatoes, bankruptcies,closing ,jobless,homeless,if you think its bad now, what else do “western” rely on, there is no cheap labour,etc. its no laughing matter,Hah ha ,where are all the economists, researchers,media moghuls,and TV networks ,etc who keep on promoting chinese and products etc, without highlighting the negatives ,they are copying $5 products and western landmarks too.and “west” is chicken and encouraging it, stupid

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Somedaaysoon said,

9-12-2007 in 00:21:11 at 216.8.145.36    

I cant see what the big deal is.. They arent calling their Honqi a Rolls. All the car co’s swipe styling from each other.. Big deal. I can get a $15 Ik watch on ebay that started life as a fake rolex. I think it is bogus to wear a rolex, real or fake, but a $15, nice solid auto-winding mechanical watch is a piece of history! An even bigger piece of history if it keeps working for longer than a quartz watch. Neat stuff for everyone CHEAP! Intellectual property is fine & dandy, but it goes on TOOOOOO long. At some point EVERYTHING has to become open source.
And styling features on cars are right up there with fashion stuff for short shelf life.
Ps: the Chery QQ looks better than the original..
Daewoo should rip them off..

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wibble said,

9-12-2007 in 12:00:19 at 212.69.56.246    

Whats funny about the slanging off of the Chinese is that a lot of the pictures from above, agreed not all, are vehicles made under licence or after old model bodyshell presses etc have been sold to China. The Matiz being the first obvious example!!! they bought the right to build that car, as no one in europe etc.. wants them anymore as a new model came out.. same goes for Vauxhall old models… ever been to India? they make a 1950′s british car to this day.. because they bought the right to, not because they copied it.

Agreed a lot of copying does go on and its not right, but get your facts and pictures straight first.. the beemer badge is seriously wrong, but no bmw employee is going to care because it will never be sold out of china, and because it looks to naff to ever sell as being a bmw quality car.

And soon worker in china will want more money, as the economy grows on this, and then the products will be no cheaper than ours.

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Dredd said,

9-12-2007 in 17:18:15 at 77.177.90.100    

Let’s face it – what highly developed western countries have an advantage in is: know how. This is the most powerful (and for most western countries even the only) resource they’ve got.

Without being jingoistic: The British Empire showed how a such is cleverly used, economicaly speaking: Importing cheap resources from outside and selling products of much higher value, that simple cannot be reproduced by the counterpart because of lack of knowledge.

Beside the fact that this habit may be called exploitation, there is one problem with it: the modern phenomenon of the demand for the cheapest price (and be it only five cents).

The cheap resource China and other countries have to offer is labour. And at first glance the situation seems to apply to the tradional mercantile model. But to let these countries produce what you want, you need to teach them HOW to do it. So, driven by temporaly profit western countries are actually giving away there best and only joker, know how. For free.

China distinguishes from other “minor developed” countries in the facts that it is a) huge and resourceful, and b) that its leaders have understood how to cleverly use the situation for their country’s prosperation. As a matter of fact, the tremoundous grow of the country has only been made possible by the know how that other countries brought in. Some countries have resources, some have know how. China has them both.

The hope that China will comply with Copyright Laws is silly. Why should they by a BMW for 60.000 when they are build it themselves for the half? (Just an example, I don’t know if BMW’s running facilities in China.) Even now global acting companies are so much depending on China and I fear that in some decades the west won’t be in the position to make conditions at all. That’s the scent China has caught.

Predictions are delicate. But with the current happenings in mind, I must say that I find it very shortsighted to give away the basis of ones own wealth so easily, be it in consequence of good belief or hope for profit. Unfortunately, I don’t have a good solution either. To me it seems like filling gas into the tank of a stranger’s single seater hoping that he will take you with him. Looking at China I tend to say that he will be gone before you get the lid closed.

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AutoBrag Blog » Blog Archive » BMW and Smart Threaten Chinese Copy-Cats said,

9-13-2007 in 15:44:33 at 4.79.233.3    

[...] has denied that Noble is a copy of Smart Fortwo, or its CEO of BMW’s X5. Take a look at these copycat pictures, you’ll be amazed by the similarities. Would someone please send them some designers and [...]

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H3nQ said,

9-15-2007 in 08:29:05 at 212.45.52.229    

Something about the Vauxhall discussion.

Vauxhall cars are actually rebadged Opels, sold in The UK and apparently the US (I didn’t know that, I’m Dutch). Opel chose to give their cars in the US and UK another name because native English speakers wouldn’t like the sound of this very German word Opel. They would sell less cars if they didn’t change the name. Its not up to me to judge if that’s right, you tell me. The Australian Holden/Vauxhall thing has nothing to do with this, I don’t know why they’re called Vauxhall.

Of course al this Chinese copying of foreign products is horrible, but the Japanese and Koreans did it before. Example: compare the Lexus ls430 and Kia opirus with Mercedes. I like European design most. I think Asian cars look cheap, and American cars are sometimes a bit over the top (chrome rims, etc.) and don’t have enough sharp corners or edges (Today’s Lincoln town car), or too much of them (Modern Cadillacs). I like most american classics though.

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Singapor3 said,

9-16-2007 in 21:33:41 at 202.156.13.1    

Damn, these Made-In-China cars looks way cheap compared to the original designs. They made an alien out of those designs, especially the BMW 7 Series.

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john said,

9-27-2007 in 08:10:01 at 203.101.182.41    

they r hot.

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Skipper’s World » Blog Archive » Fahrzeugdesign auf chinesisch said,

10-11-2007 in 17:57:55 at 195.47.247.70    

[...] Was nochmal das Copyright? [...]

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Kreative Autobauer at Honda Fanzine said,

10-12-2007 in 06:32:05 at 213.83.63.50    

[...] Ja, in China, da wird Kreativität noch groß geschrieben. Zumindest wenn es ums kopieren ge… Pkw anbieten [...]

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Erlebnisblog.de » Blog Archiv » del.icio.us said,

10-15-2007 in 14:48:29 at 85.25.64.184    

[...] The world of creative advertising » The Chinese fully ignore copyrights [...]

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Dentaku » Blog Archiv » links for 2007-10-15 said,

10-15-2007 in 19:36:16 at 213.239.206.203    

[...] The Chinese fully ignore copyrights Mercedes C vs Geely Merrie 300 Neoplan Starliner vs Zonda A9 Smart vs er. Chinese Smart … (tags: auto design china) [...]

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Linklist P0rno! 9.0 | Emotional Overdose said,

10-17-2007 in 12:43:25 at 80.67.17.127    

[...] Weed | Strapless | Eines Tages | Freiwilliger im Irak | Haie = Mörder? | Keine Freunde mit Salat | The Chinese fully ignore Copyrights | Terroranschlag vortäuschen | Roland Freisler 1 2 | Wegen Joint nackt ausgezogen | Aua!!! | [...]

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maromi said,

10-19-2007 in 11:46:38 at 170.185.184.19    

FYI: monkey see monkey do.
that’s what all this shit is about, but noone’s ideas will ever be the same on a subjet like this. and FYI: americans have bad ass ideas so fuck it.

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maromi said,

10-19-2007 in 11:48:08 at 170.185.184.19    

besides, americans seem to rip of film ideas so i guess that makes us even . . . for now.lol

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maromi said,

10-19-2007 in 11:52:54 at 170.185.184.19    

wonder who will copy whose ideas next?
g2g, see ya ass wipes.

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TurboFresh said,

12-18-2007 in 18:40:04 at 217.160.230.174    

[...] China is so flattering… Tuesday December 18th 2007, 5:35 pm Some people believe it is not politically correct to assume that China is still the reigning kings of copyright infringement or that millions of creative hours in designs and intellectual properties are being knocked-off on a daily basis. Well wake up and smell the rice cooking. Here are some pretty ballsy and obvious rip-offs in the automotive world. Yes, the Chinese are not limited to paying homage to electronics and designer bags. That is a Mercedes-Benz copy on the right. See more… [...]

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Albert Zablit - Photography and everything else » The Chinese and copyright issues? said,

12-22-2007 in 14:53:27 at 74.208.16.78    

[...] The rest can be found here. [...]

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спанак.орг said,

1-11-2008 in 08:23:56 at 83.148.64.70    

Пиратството в Китай…

Досега бяхме свидетели на Adibas, Niki и Soni, но приятелите ни от Китай вече са дръпнали стабилно с материала и са подпукали автомобилите ….
Merc…

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dog puhs said,

1-12-2008 in 13:02:09 at 122.255.2.52    

Americans are known thieves for centuries, they had stolen from Asia and now they are paying back

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hermiessaid said,

1-15-2008 in 16:10:42 at 67.161.181.235    

hermies said,
8-16-2007 in 08:17:32 at 202.7.176.133

Dudes, stop talking shit. Go learn something about the car industry!
These “evil clones” as u call them are nothing more than liscened reproductions. Old equiptment is sold off to generate revenue, The last one on the page is clearly not a copy other than a similar badge. But all the rest are not cheap knockoffs. They are made by different companies using almost exactly the same manufacturing equiptment, and sometimes in the same factory. This would only be illegal if they were actually being badged them as mercedes and toyota’s etc. This headline is incredibly defamatory and is totally innacurate. CAW should be ashamed.

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Unknown said,

1-15-2008 in 23:19:02 at 68.6.68.10    

First of all, I would like to say that I have read most of these comments, and agree with different point of views. I was born in *America* Whatever that means.. considering South, Central and North Americans all have the right to call themselves just that, Americans. I can clearly see and understand why China is using similar designs to their Westerns Neighbors, Chinese citizens crave Western goods, and whether we admit it or not, We crave CHEAP goods.. far as I can see it’s a tradeoff. Lastly, I respect and admire all the cultures of this world we all inhabit, Please dont associate all of us living in the Americas with the ignorance of a few people, I don’t judge or charazterize your nations, I ask that you dont label all AMERICANS as Ignorant, oil hungry Barbarians :)

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Mehmet Demirdişer » Blog Archive » Ne alırsan -1 YTL- Çinlilerin esinlendiği otomobiller said,

1-17-2008 in 10:16:28 at 89.149.242.162    

[...] Bu sitede Çinlilerin esinlendiği otomobilleri görebilirsiniz. [...]

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Çin : Klonlama merkezi - bloglamaca.com said,

1-17-2008 in 10:39:13 at 212.175.17.98    

[...] başlıca işi olan her markanın taklidini yapma artık sınırtanımaz boyutlara ulaşmış. Bu sitede ayrıntıları ile görebileceğiniz taklit ürünlerden işte birkaç [...]

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Çinliler taklitte sınır tanımıyor… | Bizim Neyimiz Eksik? said,

1-17-2008 in 15:13:02 at 84.51.17.38    

[...] taklitçiliği dilleri destan elbette ama açıkçası ben bu kardar abarttıklarını bilmiyordum. şu site dünyanın en ünlü araç markalarının çin taklitlerini derlemiş.derlemede dikkati [...]

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dog push said,

1-22-2008 in 13:10:09 at 122.255.2.195    

sorry “unknown” I should have used USA, but for this (I ask that you don’t label all AMERICANS as Ignorant, oil hungry Barbarians) I don’t see any proof not to say that they are barbarians pls help me by protesting to what ur gov is doing to Iraq, Cuba, Iran, china, …… n whole world

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Fernando said,

1-22-2008 in 15:37:07 at 32.59.64.44    

Both Vauxhall and Holden are owned by General Motors. The logo on this car looks like a Vauxhall, but it is the same, GM sells the same products under different brands for different markets. What in UK is sold under Vauxhall, is sold in the rest of Europe under Opel, Holden in Australia and Chevrolet in America.

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Cum copiaza chinezii masinile « viaRomania.eu said,

1-29-2008 in 10:57:38 at 72.232.131.32    

[...] ianuarie 29, 2008 Iata cateva poze cu modele de masini foarte cunoscute si copiile lor chinezesti. Restul exemplelor aici. [...]

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Shy said,

1-30-2008 in 02:12:12 at 67.38.6.188    

Firstly I want to point out to those that think all Chinese are evil and too those thing American is ignorant, they are not!

I just want to say that no matter how it goes in the world, we are in the century of globalization! Also, if everyone is blaming the Chinese Communist Part as evil, I can simply imply that Democracy is evil too. What is the point of arguing? There is no right or wrong answers to these statement!

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Alex said,

2-25-2008 in 14:52:20 at 170.158.127.50    

You all are gay fagets who like to talk about this stuff i just happen to be a stdent who is bored and went online and found pictures of old starwars charecters. And here you guys are talking about chinees cars like it is a political tole. LATER FAGS.

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Joe said,

2-26-2008 in 09:18:55 at 24.141.122.144    

You guys both are gay in the sense that you both have asian art as your dp, if you guys were actualy american and not some asian shrink dinks then you guys would have normal pictures beside your names.

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Mr XiaoMin said,

3-15-2008 in 01:49:44 at 124.114.180.134    

Chinanes are known thieves for centuries, they had stolen from Asia and now they are paying back

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Frankfurt Musikmesse 2008 - Erlebnisblog.de said,

3-18-2008 in 14:43:45 at 85.25.64.184    

[...] möglichst viele billige Produkte zu bauen, die den bekannten Topmodellen stark ähneln. Man kennt das ja. (Wichtig: Die Japaner sind völlig anders, hier kommen die starken Marken wie Roland und [...]

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Miguel said,

4-13-2008 in 15:41:29 at 72.145.34.94    

Well It might seen odd but what about Harley-Davidson and a Chiniese imitation well I heard that people never had a problem with a Chinese imitation of a Harley compare to people that do have problems with a real Harley what about the Ford Mustang do Geely make a great imitation of a Ford Mustang, well I do give a shit about Chinese imitations even in cars and motorcycles it is time to defend the American industry the best solution is to do with China is what the US did to Cuba embago.

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www.icdl-direct.com said,

4-26-2008 in 20:13:35 at 80.168.173.27    

http://www.icdl-direct.com...

This actually ties into an interesting post Mr Cowen authored a while ago on the strategy of book cover design– well worth reading if you haven’t already. The question as it relates to this conversation is then: can you judge a book by its blogger? L…

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HemiPower said,

5-6-2008 in 04:36:24 at 90.192.108.153    

The Chinese have the ability to produce the best in the world just as we other countries.
What happens when we ask the Chinese to manufacture something at a cheaper price is this; Produce 10,000 childrens toys of one design, ie a toy car of the latest Mercedes SLK. Now they cannot make more than 10,000 items but by ignoring the quality control originaly set up, they can then introduce cheaper materials with complete disregard to the consequenses. Thus increasing the companies and shareholders profits.
China listen ! you have not lost face you have thrown it away, hopefully you will kill the golden goose, cook it and eat it then hopefully go back to being the third world economy you so deserve.
Unfortunately people will continue to buy your inferior products simply because they are cheap.
Thry making something with more than one part that is A,value for money,B, lasts more than the warrenty and people can proudly say “Made in China”

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smartcars said,

5-11-2008 in 16:15:51 at 216.195.37.11    

[...] smartcar, etc…See how closely their cars resemble cars from other manufacturers around the world.http://creativeadvertisingworld.com/bmw-7-vs-byd-f6/Flickr: Smart carsIt&39s time for a revolution in transportation and Smart cars will certainly be [...]

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isuzu rodeo said,

5-18-2008 in 17:17:10 at 63.135.26.32    

the vauxhall/opel frontera and the landwind are totally different they just look the same cuz i have a 2001 isuzu rodeo (american version of vauxhall/opel frontera) and i was in a crash at 55 mph and it didnt get destroyed like the landwind so at least they only steal the look.

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Empresa Nevados del Sur SAC said,

5-23-2008 in 16:23:21 at 190.42.81.211    

Perú 23 de mayo de 2008 – Juliaca
Estimated Masters Representatives of the Company of buses Zonda
Very interesting his(her,your) page we us would be interested in connecting and knowing very deeply on the pro forma one of the bus Neoplan Starliner vs Zonda A9 That shows us: designs, characteristics, comforts, capacities, and the whole equipment(equipping) so much internal and external divides(departs) the service of passengers’ transport. And also advantages and disadvantages show climatic conditions, and the functioning of the engine to diesel and natural gas.
Attentivly,
Gerente de Nevados del Sur SAC.

nevados-del-sur-sac@hotmail.com

* We wait for his(her,your) prompt response

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*so you all know that I am GOD said,

5-28-2008 in 03:20:58 at 59.92.88.34    

As such it is better for the chinese cars to be introduced into the international market as they will be very much affordable

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Nevados del sur SAC said,

6-3-2008 in 18:20:45 at 190.42.22.68    

PERU 03 de Juniodel 2008

SEÑORES REPRESENTANTES DE LA EMPRESA ZONDA – CHINA

Estamos interesados en adquirir una nueva flota de buses para la apertura de una nueva empresa de transporte de pasajeros teniendo ya la concesión de rutas bajo un perfil de proyecto, favor de remitirnos las siguientes:
- precios
- modelos
- características
- comodidades
- condiciones climáticas
- motor (diesel o gas natural)
- ventajas y desventajas
- y otros
- imágenes tanto interno y externo

Atentamente,

Empresa de Transporte Nevados del Sur SAC

Juliaca – Perú
Correo electrónico: nevados-del-sur-sac@hotmail.com

MASTERS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMPANY ZONDA – SMALL
STONE
We are interested in acquiring a new fleet of buses for the opening of a new company of passengers’ transport having already the grant of routes under a profile of project, favor of sending the following ones:
- Prices – models – characteristics – comforts – climatic conditions – engine (diesel or natural gas) – advantages and disadvantages – and others – images so much internal and external.
Attentivly,
Empresa de Transporte Nevados del Sur SAC

Juliaca – Perú
E-mail nevados-del-sur-sac@hotmail.com

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Why think up a new design if you can copy it? « Replica Galore said,

6-17-2008 in 05:07:57 at 66.135.48.186    

[...] Creativeadvertisingworld.com has a nice post showing some of the most blatant copies of car designs. Click here to read it. [...]

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BMW video collection said,

6-26-2008 in 11:38:07 at 149.20.54.204    

BMW video collection…

Lazy ass copy cats. They cant mess with GM coz its the worlds biggest car manufacturer. They cant mess with Rolls Royce coz BMW will be pissed and they Cant mess with honda coz honda is honda. but they can mess with daewoo. I think that we should all b…

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bhum said,

7-17-2008 in 10:12:34 at 212.85.201.246    

China is doing a great deal for the common man who cant boast of the littlest luxury of owing western products. Western countries should stop the hypocrisies and and consider the common laborer whose toil and hardwork provide the elite with their luxuries. At least Chinese product feeds and cloth the poor and gives him a little pride as a human. Allow their product to give the poor man i little dignity of life. Should you think otherwise advise the overly greedy companies to have the impoverished in mind something obviously they cannot do for profit must be maximized. Who run to the third world countries for cheaper labor and sell their toils back to them at astronomically prices.

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musico said,

7-22-2008 in 10:23:47 at 64.178.212.7    

I just have to say I’m not american,european or chinese. I’m looking at this as an emerging economy fenomena. Chinese are not new to this concepts(cars) but are new to exporting theese in a masive way to western countries. I beleve they are doing their best using desing concepts that are been generaly acepted by western countries. I will call this a low risk desicion, were they are designing cars that apeals to acepted western concepts. These are not copyrigth isues because they are not exactly the same. I will say that these chinese models are inspired on western car models. Due to globalization, the western world has been importing goods to China. Chinese are producing now what the western have show them for decades. Still, there is a huge challenge for China, and that is to compete with western world quality and satisfaction standards,that are not that good ether, but the western cutomer will not acept anything below theire satisfaction stadards.

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Dallasdeckard said,

9-7-2008 in 08:35:21 at 24.27.73.170    

Trinity wrote:

“What happened when Microsoft outright COPIED the Mac GUI? Or when the guys from Apple copied it from the researchers at Xerox PARC?”

WHOA! Way different, my friend! Parc was *experimental* and when Jobs asked permission from Xerox to look at Parc (and paid for the privilege), there was an understanding that he would use what he saw to create a new computer system. Xerox NEVER sued Apple for what they did, in fact they were rather proud that Jobs utilized their vision.

Microsoft is a WHOLE other issue! John Sculley gave Jobs permission to copy *some* elements of the Mac OS, in exchange for him continuing to develop Word for the Mac, in other words Jobs blackmailed Sculley to get him to do that. However, Jobs took that agreement and basically used it to *completely* copy the Mac OS. Before that, Windows didn’t have overlapping windows and stuff like that. Apple sued Microsoft and won some minor concessions, but the genie was out of the bottle and that was that.

But you *cannot* compare what Microsoft did to Apple to the agreement that Jobs and Xerox had, which was *entirely* okay with Xerox. Also, if you look at the first Lisa (and the first Mac) things are VERY different. But, that doesn’t matter anyway because, as I said, Xerox gave Apple PERMISSION to use what they say, and Apple PAID for that right. It was a fair and agreed upon arrangement. Totally different from the THEFT of intellectual property that occurred between Microsoft and Apple.

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sudhaman said,

12-4-2008 in 13:47:57 at 218.248.68.203    

those bastards making lot of GDP with american technology

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Bobity said,

12-11-2008 in 03:07:39 at 24.16.138.249    

the nissan xtrail lookalike is actually a ford explorer one

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Contra said,

4-3-2009 in 13:37:19 at 96.242.102.250    

The Chinese government, managed by the communist party in China had become one of the worst forms of government in the history of the world… They in complicity with big companies exploit their workers. and away from the fundamentals of communism they have allow the rise of a new rich and powerful class in china. They don’t respect nature, they don’t respect animals and as Gandhi said “the level of a society can be seen in how animals are treated.”. “many dogs have died slow, agonizing deaths in these mass slaughters, which illustrate the nation’s lack of adequate animal control plans.”(peta.org)… they have no moral or ethics at money-making-time and they are stealing designs from cars to coach purses, and even a zippo lighter STOP CHINA NOW!!! cheap is never better

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skyline said,

4-23-2009 in 17:00:14 at 68.181.176.32    

I think Chinese copying these designs is okay. But just the fact that way they do it just mocks those who originally put so much care and effort in designing those cars. As much as its about the laws, its about courtesy. So please be courteous to those who spend so much time designing them. Thanks.

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the-neta said,

6-2-2009 in 07:30:23 at 200.56.134.222    

The Chinese are the kings of piracy on everything but they do not like them steal your ideas, I think that since the traveler Marco Polo pirating is common for them but did not steal ideas to them that you demand

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ridwanzero said,

12-29-2009 in 07:17:34 at 122.167.117.182    

Everyone has their favorite way of using the internet. Many of us search to find what we want, click in to a specific website, read what’s available and click out. That’s not necessarily a bad thing because it’s efficient. We learn to tune out things we don’t need and go straight for what’s essential……

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Anonymous said,

3-7-2010 in 14:27:07 at 98.165.43.31    

How can I buy a China Mainland made car with the following features:

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paganifan921 said,

4-12-2011 in 17:10:59 at 86.10.179.215    

Why copy every single other car brand? Is it because whoever’s doing the copying have no good ideas of their own?

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aliraad said,

9-10-2011 in 05:11:30 at 85.15.44.172    

I hate thath people who live in america and said we hate amiracans and live in democratic air and us it for seying nonssens to democratic peaople
look out that chineees company use peaple that work for $1. for a day and they dont pey for designing of this world most beuty cars and using revers engineering.
this is not contery growing up this is not since.
we are not talk about a bilion of chines people just a chines Government and who make “(persian)Iranian kashan carpet copy” make change “BMW to BYD”.we can stop it with dont buy this trashes

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George Riddick mention,

8-15-2007 at 14:11:14 ping from 71.197.1.218    

We have only seen the tip of the the iceberg as to the economic impact (here … not in China) of all of this. I simply do not believe we are rushing to help out this country grow economically in so many ways while they continue to undermine us in every way imaginable. From endangering our children with magnets and lead, to wiping out our pets with contaminated dogfood, to strealing our movies, songs, and art, to replicating all of our icons and other valuable symbols of our free society.

This is just stealing … pure and simple stealing. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know this is evil.

What, exactly, has the Bush administration done to curtail this growing problem?

Virtually nothing from what I can see.

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West mention,

8-15-2007 at 15:30:59 ping from 190.3.91.26    

George you said “replicating all our icons”. Take a look and tell me if either of the above pictures are any a US company ;) .
Dont be an american please.

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Parker mention,

8-15-2007 at 15:51:02 ping from 209.173.84.241    

Vauxhall is owned by an American company. And Daewoo is 44% owned by GM.

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Eric mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:41:07 ping from 76.114.9.201    

That’s because American cars mostly suck. I know, I’m an American, and have owned 2 American cars. My current one is holding up despite being a 91 because it only had 60,000 miles put on it in the first 13 years of it’s life. Once it dies, I’m buying a foreign car because they last longer and break down less.

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Mike mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:45:50 ping from 131.215.251.31    

You don’t have to buy shitty products from China, but you do. Everyone does. It’s cheap. They’re the ones exploiting their workforce.

And how the hell do magnets endanger children?

I’d venture to guess you know very little about what it takes to be a rocket scientist, given that you label a billion people ‘evil’ based on these pictures.

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Levi mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:46:38 ping from 69.11.73.203    

“endangering our children with magnets and lead, to wiping out our pets with contaminated dogfood”
These are due to economic factors and not any sort of malicious cultural intent. You can bet that Chinese citizens are subjected to even worse treatment by corporations cutting corners. Do you forget that plenty of American corporations also expose us to toxic chemicals?

“to strealing our movies, songs, and art”
Movies, songs and art, as you refer to them, cannot be stolen simply because they are not a possession TO be stolen. They are experiences, and experiences can only be withheld, to the detriment of everyone. We are approaching a global culture and exclusionist mindsets will change. It looks as though the propaganda campaign advanced by dying institutions like the RIAA is working.

“to replicating all of our icons and other valuable symbols of our free society”
A wise man once said, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”

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bssn mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:49:41 ping from 222.74.48.63    

I’m sorry to hear that, and I am from China, though I know many countries copy our country’s products, this is not a good custom. :(

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. mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:51:32 ping from 86.0.214.74    

Vauxhall is based in the UK.

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Frances mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:54:26 ping from 212.8.184.2    

Just wait for the other shoe to drop: in a few years’ time the Chinese will be developing their own intellectual property that they will want to sell to the West.
Then it’s up to us to just blatantly copy the good bits and sell knock offs of their products.

Sit back and watch them go ballistic over our shameful, dishonorable and blatantly stealing of their precious, inalienable, more-worth-than-all-the-money-in-the-universe intellectual property.

Then you flip them the bird and tell them: “Karma, bitch! Do you speak it!”

Although they copy entire product lines and companies, they are -very- much the guys who don’t know where to find a clue. Their products are cheap [their cars have been repelled from the European market twice because they were about as safe as sitting on a Claymore mine] and lack any style and finesse.
Anyone seen their ‘version’ of the iPhone with the ‘better features’? Painfully ugly, atrocious interface. Of course, their users aren’t used to seeing truly superior design [other then what they rip off] that is not of their original culture [they have made some really nice art].

Still, what they do industrially I don’t care about: 1/6 the world population, 1/8 the world sweet water supply. And they’re polluting it like there’s no tomorrow. You think all Chinese are going to be driving an SUV in 10 years? Do the math, I don’t think so.

What really bothers me about the Chinese is what they’re doing to Tibet.

-That- is disgusting.

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Pooker mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:55:19 ping from 82.47.107.73    

Yeah but they weren’t designed by americans numb nuts… damn i hate americans…

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Noddegamra mention,

8-16-2007 at 06:57:54 ping from 86.159.77.60    

lol that is really bad. China are great for copying stuff!

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Damien mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:01:26 ping from 58.104.112.22    

Evil, George? Puh-lease. Lighten up. Sure the Chinese are being sneaky in emulating certain products but I think it’s a testament to their intelligence and ingenuity.

I applaud their persistence to retrieve and share knowledge. Not horde it like a desperate man who overcharges for information or takes his secrets to the grave, metaphorically speaking.

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Symen mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:02:11 ping from 62.177.176.50    

@George: “I simply do not believe we are rushing to help out this country grow economically”

Because there are always two sides to a Coin.

Don’t forget:
- The US lives on borrowed money, China provided us with the second biggest amount of all countries worldwide (japan 1st)
- We dump all our High-Tech trash in China
- The need for more diplomacy and protective but open markets and foreign policy between the US and China. This is vital for our economic growth in the future.

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Remy mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:02:59 ping from 203.220.22.139    

Vauxhall is actually Holden, an Australian car company.

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Anonymous mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:03:20 ping from 121.44.34.70    

@ Parker: That Vauxhall car actually looks like what we Australian’s call a Holden. See the logo? It’s a lion with a sphere. Search Holden in google images. And Holden in Australian owned. Not American owned.

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Clinton mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:04:30 ping from 65.34.120.39    

@George – Magnets? Since when did magnets become a problem? I’ve got news for you we’re bathed in magnetic fields constantly and they’re not coming from from children’s toys. I don’t think magnets are a problem to children unless they’re choking on them and then that’s not really a problem solely intrinsic to magnets is it.

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Anonymous mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:05:48 ping from 121.44.34.70    

Oh yeah and that is most definitely not a Vauxhall car. The logo is different. I forgot to mention.

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giek mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:08:30 ping from 125.163.248.221    

nice car wow

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http://poster-event.blogspot.com

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aliron mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:15:03 ping from 69.106.201.6    

Are these exported outside of China? If not, I don’t see how they are hurting other companies other than their profit margins inside China, and at the going rate of the Chinese Yen it’s almost impossible for most people there to afford genuine import cars. It’s hardly “evil.”

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Sami mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:21:07 ping from 193.67.113.2    

Well, at the moment USA is borrowing US Dollars from China in order to buy chinese cars, but that’s not the issue here. Toyota, Honda, BMW, Rolls-Royce, Mercedes… yeah, American companies… rite…

That is not stealing. That is not evil. And it’s not even wrong.

…According to Chinese laws.

China is still a communist country and very much like old Soviet Union, China doesn’t have similar copyright laws as most of the western countries have.

In western countries these things would be crimes, but under communism, where in theory you don’t “own” anything, how can you “own” a design or an idea?

What could Bush administration do? Piss off China? China does have 1.33 Trillion dollars just laying around, so flooding the market would inflate dollar. Is that what Bush administration should do? Piss China off so they will crash US economy? Was it a good idea to separate dollar from federal gold reserves, huh?

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anne cronn mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:26:15 ping from 87.192.134.34    

A counry that enslaves its own population and that of neigbouring states and gets nothing but slaps on the back from europe and the US is the most worrying development in modern economics, morals and hope. Alowing the Chnese govenment to continue with its whitewashing of public knowledge…thanks google….as well as allowing the olympics to be held there is an act of criminality. I urge you to boycott cheap chinese products EVERYWHERE

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trinity mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:26:22 ping from 71.107.85.17    

What happened when Microsoft outright COPIED the Mac GUI? Or when the guys from Apple copied it from the researchers at Xerox PARC?

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Mitio mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:31:07 ping from 62.156.183.195    

Is Vauxhall not Opel, which is owned by VW ?

and doesnt Lexus sort of do the same thing, but only borrowing from both Merc and BMW at the same time?

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Matt Bland mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:31:34 ping from 217.46.216.1    

Although these cars look the same cosmetically, they are built very differently. I would expect that they would fail many of the safety tests the originals would pass.

Building a clone of a door that fits onto the original model of car is easy. Making sure that it meets the same critera is hard and expensive.

The chinese market demands expensive western goods, but they don’t want to pay western prices. So, the cloners come in and copy everything in sight. It’s hardly surprising when we’ve all outsourced our manufacturing to China, that they use our blueprints and intellectual property to supply cheap copies to the local market when enforcement is so hard.

However, they’ll cut every concievable corner to keep the price low.

[arrived via Digg]

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Plarker mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:35:22 ping from 62.189.108.220    

The frontera is the exact same vehicle as the Isuzu Mu. GM own 12% of Isuzu and I suppose brand the vehicles for some fee or other. And Daewoo… Classic American design.

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ACormier mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:37:09 ping from 64.132.230.114    

George…

What are we doing?

Attacking Iraq and Iran they plot everything you know, including the copying of patents, the poisoning of our beloved animals, and the endangering of small children with lead and magnets.

Didn’t Bush explain this to everyone already? Or is that just GOP insider knowledge.

:)

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Stirrer mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:37:39 ping from 81.178.217.183    

There’s no worry for US car companies. We all know they can’t design for sh!t.

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paul mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:38:23 ping from 195.173.15.80    

just what that politician said the other day “China are not our friends, or our enemies, they are our competitors.” In other words, Deal with it!

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steven mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:38:37 ping from 213.39.221.5    

China acts awkward. A country that seems to have no reputation nor the potential of supporting their own citicens in growing up to cultured classes.

BMW, MAN and Mercedes are german. The chinese already sued a german blogger for mentioning the similar formfactor of the MAN bus.

They also stole a whole magnetic train-technology from germany, named Transrapid.

Needless to say that in germany like in the USA we give a FUCK of what the chinese moron government says. We still have the freedom of speech here. China has to learn that. They are still a developing nation, no matter how many small cheap products they make for us.

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kaos mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:38:40 ping from 75.195.198.162    

HAHA
they are stealing all Out Icons?
Daewoo bein part owned by GM…who cares.

granted the chinese are in effect powering their economy via saturation of inferior products… but for every producer thier is a consumer. Before anyone complains about the chinese products just count how many things on your desk are made their…?
How far do you really go to ensure you buy American?

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Pollmak mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:42:38 ping from 194.201.66.7    

You could say that this is the price, we in the west pay for cheap stuff, from the east. For now it’s a good laugh, but I bet the Motor manufactures are keep a very close Eye on these mimics…
Besides the growth in Paten Liability cases from Giant corps. suing each other is holding back innovation.
I would not buy chinees innovation or a china brand vehicle, but would consider it if the quality/cost ratio increases and it will over time.

You have to admire the tenacity of China and other developing countries. Their work rate/cost makes the west look lazy and greedy in comparison.

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Cody mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:42:54 ping from 75.44.59.89    

Since when does a crime have to be against the US for an American to be angry about it? I’d like to think we’re not that shallow and self-absorbed.

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Ryan mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:44:40 ping from 207.181.7.123    

And what do you care if the Chinese people drive cheap imitations? The tax on imported cars in Asia is insane! A $50k car here in the US can easily cost an upwards of $120k in China for the same damn car!

And in regards to all the scandal that has been recently happening with manufacturing in China, is the US infallible? How else would you be able to afford the computer you’re using to type this response with? If we manufactured all that shit ourselves on US soil, I guarantee you we would not be able to compete with the slave wages of China.

So next before you start mouthing off about how “evil” China is, do your homework. And like West said, don’t be an ignorant American.

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Andydread mention,

8-16-2007 at 07:58:37 ping from 75.117.39.231    

Vauxhall and Daewoo are hardly American icons. You can’t even buy them here – Sorry. What strikes me is that if they have the prowess to build cars then why do copy the designs of others.

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hawk mention,

8-16-2007 at 08:15:39 ping from 217.43.243.109    

George Riddick = Captain America?

Copyright infringement is not theft.

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hermies mention,

8-16-2007 at 08:17:32 ping from 202.7.176.133    

Dudes, stop talking shit. Go learn something about the car industry!
These “evil clones” as u call them are nothing more than liscened reproductions. Old equiptment is sold off to generate revenue, The last one on the page is clearly not a copy other than a similar badge. But all the rest are not cheap knockoffs. They are made by different companies using almost exactly the same manufacturing equiptment, and sometimes in the same factory. This would only be illegal if they were actually being badged them as mercedes and toyota’s etc. This headline is incredibly defamatory and is totally innacurate. CAW should be ashamed.

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Chris mention,

8-16-2007 at 08:17:42 ping from 59.100.218.66    

Thankyou Parker, i agree. Holden/Vouxhall/GM, they all are changing americanised, not only that, whos letting this happen, were all worried obout other copyright infringments such as piracy of dvds,cds,clothing etc, heres the big picture, and its happening because the majority of population buys these because they are cheap and economically easyier on the back pocket.
This needs to stop…. whos ever job it may be….

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daos mention,

8-16-2007 at 08:59:47 ping from 213.115.65.82    

i think poor george (aside from being american which is not his fault, though he should learn to grow up and take responsiblilty for it) is misguidedly attempting a defence of the “icons” of the “free” western world. misguided since our so called free market economy is built upon the opression and exploitation of amongst others, the chinese. they are of course also responsible (as a nation) for their own actions but nevertheless. so i say go ahead and rip off what you want. it’s smart and it may just help to bring us (in the west) to our senses and realise how much false value is attached to all those ridiculous “icons”. let’s face it, everyone knows that driving a mercedes benz makes you worth more as a human being.

by the way, rocket scientists are not inherently evil. they tend to be reclusive, intelligent, highly focused academic types. they occsaionaly make earth shattering discoveries which are later misappropriated by evil people. an example: alfred nobel = pacifist scientist = good. george bush = idiot with a lot of power = very very evil.

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you thought we wouldn’t notice » Blog Archive » China can do anything mention,

8-16-2007 at 08:59:51 ping from 64.111.122.9    

[...] See more here  [...]

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graham mention,

8-16-2007 at 09:11:16 ping from 124.170.147.9    

Vauxhall??? that’s a holden logo and they are australian

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bond007gems mention,

8-16-2007 at 09:44:54 ping from 202.58.134.20    

Even some Korean companies are in the same league. The earlier Hyundai Sonata was a replica of Jaguar and the new one is on the lines of the new Honda Accord!
There is nothing more blatant.
I am sure none of the cars above compare to the real thing else China will be exporting to the rest of the worls… with their prices they will capture the entire market!
Reliablity though is a completely different issue… well… not really. Its not there at all! Its true for their cars and for all other products they manufacture.
For the record- even an apple ipod is manufactured in China. Not long before other companies have to recall their products because of manufacturing issues in China.
You get what you pay for!

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Sami mention,

8-16-2007 at 09:55:35 ping from 193.67.113.2    

hermies: Is that so? That is very intelligent. Why should the factories go to waste. Perfectly good machinery, and huge factories are not so cheap to build. That’s proper recycling.

Although, my first post still stands: China doesn’t have the same copyright laws than western countries have, regardless wether this particular case is copyright violation or not. Can’t do anything about it. Sorry.

daos: I suppose you were pointing towards operation paperclip and von Brown with that rocket scientist thingie?

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Vahn mention,

8-16-2007 at 10:50:02 ping from 71.101.9.4    

China, me being half Chinese and saying this, is the land of bootlegs. As Levi is right on several of the posts I read, I don’t care to repeat what he or she has said…

Oh, and honestly, as for China keeping their labor cheap? Just wait until China becomes fully capitalist, then other countries will be utterly f–screwed.

Also, you can buy Daewoo in America, only they’re hard to come across. I forget why, but whatever.

Lastly, Chinese money isn’t yen. That’s Japanese. Chinese currency is yuan or renminbi (or the hong kong dollar if you’re in Hong Kong). They use the same symbol, but the symbol is Chinese~.

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George Riddick mention,

8-16-2007 at 12:01:20 ping from 71.197.1.218    

Wow … I’ve never seen such an enthusiastic response to a blog entry. I really appreciate the different points of view … both those that criticize my opinion and those that support it.

Let me clarify a few things that have been said. I by no meeans meant to say that a billion Chinese people were evil. I admire their culture, even though I must admit, I don’t know all that much about it. I hope to visit China again later this year.

I also didn’t mean to come over as a biased American. I speak for the European, South American, Asian, and other countries as well when I talk about the importance of copyright protection. Hundreds of countries signed the WIPO treatries in the late 90′s. I only say, if you didn’t intend to comply with the international treatries, then why did you sign them?

I blame the American government officials as much as anyone else for the copyright “situation” I now see in China and other emerging countries/economies as well. We have not done a very job of enforcing and protecting our intellectual property assets among ourselves in this country (just look at all the lawsuits on this topic), so how can we really expect other cultures to follow our lead?

Lastly, I do not believe that taking somone else hard earned proerty (even if it simply ideas and/or designs) and adopting them for your own personal gain is fair or just. To me its just common sense. It’s not rying to pit one culture against another.

All of the hateful remarks about Americans don’t seem to be justified based on what I wrote.

My opinion, anyway.

George

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Arby mention,

8-16-2007 at 12:17:39 ping from 70.49.20.157    

Brilliant discussion here. (Pfft!)
First off NONE of this has to do with copyrights. You don’t copyright a car design. You get a design patent.

And to the guy that thinks it will be “karma” to turn around and not buy Chinese designed products… Well I’ve got news for you. When EVERYTHING is made in China, what do you think will happen if we boycot their products? They could easily cut us off from everything you take for granted on a daily basis. WE, the West are China’s bitch.

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George Riddick mention,

8-16-2007 at 12:17:41 ping from 71.197.1.218    

P.S. I read in the news earlier this week that the magnets were not attached properly to these toys and they could easily be swallowed by children (or adults for that matter). I doubt this many would be reclled if there weren’t some very serious public safety risks here.

Are those of you who seem to hate Americans trying to say it is our own fault that our children may be placed in danger?

Certainly I’ve seen an equal number of recalls withing our own borders, but the Chinese problems seem to be growing faster than most these days.

I personally believe child labor abuses are evil regardless of what culture they occur in.

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straydog scraps » Scraps And Morsels 20070817 mention,

8-16-2007 at 12:25:46 ping from 165.21.154.10    

[...] The world of creative advertising » The Chinese fully ignore copyrights [...]

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taiwanese mention,

8-16-2007 at 15:02:13 ping from 81.159.8.232    

well the ppl in charge in china sure have evil intent. this kinda thing goes on all the time. Usually they steal, copy, “take inspiration from?” the stuff from anyone who manufactures in china. Anyway, the world keeps on feeding the dragon because at the end of the day they need to pay for the cheap junk thats possible with the cheap(some say exploited?) workforce. Heck they have the Olympic games next year so one of the largest human rights abusers on the planet gets another boost, brilliant.
-Taiwanese

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Kira mention,

8-16-2007 at 17:34:04 ping from 121.79.2.135    

From the Vauxhall website. The marks appearing on this website including, but not limited to: (i) GM and the GM Logo; (ii) Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, Saturn and HUMMER and their respective logos, emblems, slogans and vehicle model names and body designs; and (iii) other marks such as Saab, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall, GMAC (UK) plc. and ACDELCO are trademarks and/or service marks of General Motors Corporation, its subsidiaries, affiliates or licensors.
So officially it is owned by an American Company but made in the UK. However the vehicle logo shown is from the Australian Holden not the Vauxhall. Other British Marques such as Morris, MG, Austin etc are now owned by BMW.

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lbytesxk mention,

8-16-2007 at 17:54:03 ping from 12.163.172.130    

I for one rather the Chinese cut us off of their toxic crap. That would lead to not one but possible two good things here in America.
1. No more toxic crap.
2. A great influx of domestic industrial investment.

People who think/know/believe etc. that America can’t design, produce, manufacture etc are mistaken. Cheap labor is one of the biggest economic advantage a country can have. Why would anyone invest in a toy manufacturing –for example – factory in America when there is no way in hell they could produce cheaper than in China?
Americans and possible even recent immigrants would be reluctant to work 10-15 hours a day for a couple of bucks. Not to mention here in America, for some odd reason, it is illegal to exploit children by employing them in sweatshops by the million.

Finally I just wish point out that the “They could easily cut us off from everything you take for granted on a daily basis.” statement is slightly exaggerated.
Aside from the wheat gluten and the toxic toys with lose magnets I can’t think of a single item I have or use on a daily basis that comes from China and I couldn’t live without.

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Levi mention,

8-16-2007 at 21:04:14 ping from 69.11.73.203    

“I for one rather the Chinese cut us off of their toxic crap. That would lead to not one but possible two good things here in America.
1. No more toxic crap.”

Interesting point, and totally bogus. American companies are doing just fine exposing us to toxic crap, they don’t need China’s help for that. Everything from dryer sheets to vegetables to printers make sure we maintain a decent profile of toxic exposure every day. :)

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Uncle B mention,

8-16-2007 at 22:35:46 ping from 216.168.112.197    

If the dirty bastard lawyers and shit head owners of patents were not so goddamn greedy we would all have better lives – This’ll teach the greedy shits – China is going to bypass you whole bloodsucking parasitic bunch and give us something we deserve – a fair break in the marketplace. Just wait until they see what you have on your patent books – they’ll probably die laughing at your petty greedy profit centered, shareholder oriented notions and produce great riches for their own country and ours too copying your “owned” crap and better. Same for drug rights – American companies got greedy and the Chinese and other Asians are going to kick their fat, out of shape asses with a more profitable and equitable equation. Enjoy your gas guzzling Caddies for now you fat cats, because the competition is here and its hungry and its Asian!

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theCopyCat.biz » Blog Archive » Copycars mention,

8-17-2007 at 18:07:01 ping from 77.55.70.2    

[...] have another break from hunting for music copycats. Here you can read nice blog entry about Chinese car companies not caring about copyrights (some examples [...]

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BundyGil mention,

8-17-2007 at 18:12:43 ping from 58.109.14.77    

Remember when the Japanese copied everything….badly? Now they sweep the world with their products and everyone falls over themselves to buy their quality.

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Vahn mention,

8-17-2007 at 18:38:38 ping from 71.101.9.4    

Another thing: I love how people say, “The ones in charge of China are evil!” Have you seen your own leadership? All leaders are corrupt. All of them. They lie and steal like crazy. If you don’t see it, you’re extremely ignorant. And if you say your countries are evil, then what about Kim Jong Il? The guy’s a beaming psycho who controls how North Koreans BREATHE.

@lbytesxk, do you know why they use lead paint? The legal limit in the states for lead being used in paint is .06 or so… Lead, of course, is highly toxic, as are other chemicals in certain doses. Th reason products are recalled because of lead paint (in the US) is because the quantity of lead surpasses the permitted amount. However, that being said, it’s used because it resists the sun’s damage (color fading) and some water damage, as why it would be used on ships’ hulls.

Before people point the finger, perhaps they need to evaluate where they stand first, and secondly to get their facts straight. It helps if people watch the news and read factual articles, but it seems as if that’s a dying trend with today’s hateful youth… (I’m 18 in a few days, and yes, I’m part of that youth, only I’m not spiteful and angry at the world.)

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Chinese Namaakauto’s | MAFIA Blog mention,

8-18-2007 at 08:29:08 ping from 195.47.247.95    

[...] ongelooflijk dat er op 1 miljard chinezen geen deftige autodesigners tussen [...]

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lbytesxk mention,

8-18-2007 at 11:14:18 ping from 71.231.58.183    

Dear Vohn.
I am not hateful towards the Chinese nor any other group. I simply stated FACTS, yes some of their products have toxic and or undesirable elements, (lead in toys, melamine in pet food, anti freeze in toothpaste)yes I blame the cheap labor for the shape the domestic manufacturing industry is in. That’s becasue I am an American. I wish the Chinese well, I wish their industry, economy and lives would continue to strive and flourish. I just don’t think it has to be to the expense of our economy, industry and lives, literally.
As for the lead paint, I understand the reason but it doesn’t make it right. The simple fact is that the recalled toys contain lead levels that are above the safe and thus considered toxic. Why? Because excess levels of lead can and will lead to brain defects especially in case of children. The end result in this case simply doesn’t justify the means.

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Tom T Hall mention,

8-18-2007 at 11:34:55 ping from 75.42.69.43    

the the person who stated other nations are copying China’s product — ARE YOU DUMB? What products??? Chinese invent nothing (that would require them to be innovative)…. they steal and we help them. They suck

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mossel mention,

8-19-2007 at 16:43:33 ping from 84.83.22.190    

JMC Landwind is a copy of the Isuzu Rodeo but so are Opel Frontera (EU), Vauxhall Frontera (UK) and Holden Frontera (Aus and NZ). It is a licensed car.

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Van mention,

8-20-2007 at 01:59:46 ping from 208.120.176.75    

@Tom T Hall, here are some things that were invented in china.
1) Paper making
2) Paper money
3) Gunpowder
4) Printing
5) Modern day sail design

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vahn mention,

8-20-2007 at 11:29:58 ping from 71.167.78.227    

Ibytesxk, you’re right, that it does cause brain damage, but I don’t believe .07 would cause noticeable brain damage as opposed to .06, per say. As said, all elements are poisonous in certain doses. It’s the concentration of it, and the toys may not be necessarily toxic, only higher than the concentration alloted for being legally safe in the states.

And at Tom T Hall, I believe that’s the Japanese you’re talking about. The Chinese invented many things–including *gasp* GUNPOWDER. It was invented for FIREWORKS to celebrate or chase away evil spirits, and even chase away the Japanese. (Used like rockets.) Not to mention that, you know, the Chinese are attributed with inventing paper money, the abacus, crossbows, compasses, silk, TOILET PAPER, LAND MINES, etc. gb2/b/ you racist, uninformed biggot. Take some history lessons!

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Chinese Cars - Haven't We Seen These Somewhere Before? » Developages - Development and Technology Blog mention,

8-20-2007 at 11:58:11 ping from 204.13.53.30    

[...] [Creative Advertising World] [...]

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Weon » Blog Archive » Afraid of Copyright? mention,

8-20-2007 at 14:16:42 ping from 74.54.16.82    

[...] be infringing copyright in some way then check out how to really do it in style by taking a look at these totally, 100% original car designs from the largest emerging power in the [...]

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DRD1812 mention,

8-20-2007 at 14:32:43 ping from 205.240.80.3    

Look, I don’t know if this has been corrected above because I got tired of reading misinformation. Opel is German. Vauxhall is British. Most of their cars are rebadges of the same vehicle, with the Opels being LHD and the VX’s being RHD. Occasionally they offer a rebadged Holden as well. Holden is Australian. And all three of these are owned by GM.

Opel/Vauxhalls are coming to the US now as Saturns. (Saturn, as a brand, probably shouldn’t exist. We should just sell Opels here as Opels, like we used to do.) The Monaro came to the US badged as a Pontiac, and we’re getting a few more (which is nice, Australian cars are more like American cars than American cars are nowadays.)

Incidentally, the Holden that game to the US badged as a Pontiac was called the GTO here, which is an icon. It’s a bit of a stretch to say China’s stealing our icons. It would be nice to see some designs out of China that were unique, though. And, I dunno, maybe for the companies in China to pay the original designers for their work.

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Fozzie mention,

8-21-2007 at 03:39:21 ping from 193.25.116.40    

Vauxhall was created in London around 1907,
Became a whole owned subsidiary of GM in 1925,
Opel is a Branch of GM based in mainland Europe.
As with Holden, but based in Australia.
Hope that clears the vauxhall “discussion”
;)

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Technical world - All about technical things » Chinese Cars - Haven’t We Seen These Somewhere Before? mention,

8-21-2007 at 05:15:02 ping from 72.22.69.156    

[...] [Creative Advertising World] [...]

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Made-in-China mention,

8-21-2007 at 11:28:30 ping from 89.243.249.113    

hey,everybody,if you think Chinese make most out of the products they sell abroad!
You are wrong, most of the big companies, factories, are foreign owned, or joinedly owned by foreign and chinese bosses! We all forget this! If you think Chinese is exploiting chinese, can you ask KFC or Mc. Donald’s to pay Chinese staff 10 dollars an hour?
Also, if things made in China are sold as expensive as things made in USA, i bet you most of us living in America won’t know what silk looks like!will you pay 5 times price more for your Nike shoes if they are made in the states? Chinese people are working hard to improve your life, not damaging!!!

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shocking mention,

8-21-2007 at 11:37:59 ping from 89.243.249.113    

just learned that the boss of the toy factory which made the toxic toys,he took suicide!
it is reported that his factory workers stayed there for the police investigation as the owner treated his staff like family.the paint for the toys is from his close friend, who owns the paint factory next door. They had been doing business for years. He trusted him so much that he could not face the fact that his close friend made the toxic paint!it is a tragedy!
i just put this up, just to wish those who hate China, Chinese, will know the truth.

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Specvdriver mention,

8-21-2007 at 14:38:11 ping from 157.22.246.74    

For you idiots wondering about children and magnets, the magnets are not secured properly to the toys, fall off and children ingest them.

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andybee mention,

8-21-2007 at 20:32:58 ping from 70.70.30.138    

some very uneducated people telling other people incorrect info!

GM Own Holden, Isuzu( whoose design it originally was), Vauxhall, Opel and Daewoo.

Holden is an Australian Product, Vauxhall is UK, Opel is mainly Europe (except UK), Japan and some other countries. Regardless, they are all owned by GM, which is American.

The ‘GM’ car picture, was sold as a Holden Frontera, Isuzu (various names in different markets), Opel and VauxhallF Frontera (and no doubt others)in its lifetime.

Daewoo is now obsolete in most markets, with the Chevrolet badge often replacing it. In North America, the Aveo is designed and produced by, what was Korea

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first_synn mention,

8-22-2007 at 10:22:31 ping from 165.21.155.113    

Poisoning people, eh.. bad chinese.. bad.. bad..

Say, Remember that spunky lass Erin Brocovich? Remember the guys she whooped in a courtroom? Which country did THEY belong to?

P.S. Google “Union Carbide”. Those are the guys who killed a few thousand Indians with poisonous gases. And don’t even get me started on Hiroshima…

P.P.S. But yes, copying designs sucks monkeyballs..

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PurpleLambo mention,

8-22-2007 at 20:53:31 ping from 82.34.208.198    

Lazy ass copy cats. They cant mess with GM coz its the worlds biggest car manufacturer. They cant mess with Rolls Royce coz BMW will be pissed and they Cant mess with honda coz honda is honda. but they can mess with daewoo. I think that we should all burn down their factories coz the REAL car manufaturers makes the cars looks better thn that chinese crap. My theory is that China cant understand ENGLISH AND THEY DONT UNDERSTAND WHATS COPYRIGHT.COPYRIGHT IS WHEN YOU COPY SOMEONE ELSE’S WORK WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION SO WHY DONT YOU CLOSE DOWN YOUR FACTORIES AND CONTINUE MAKING TOYS OUT OF PLASTIC AND DANGEROUS MATERIALS AND LET NAC CONTINUE THE MG PROJECT.

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Racealistic mention,

8-23-2007 at 04:22:53 ping from 87.211.147.45    

The chinese people are everywhere in each country
in each street. chinese peeps do it too much

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Dagon2008 mention,

8-24-2007 at 12:03:00 ping from 211.158.38.168    

i am now living in P.R.China and i am watching you guys discussing about this issue and feel like that you are all so funny. Come on! It a age of globalization since you guys can no longer produce price-competitive products then you Americans should shut up and wait for us to give you “trash” to eat and to do anythings. All you guys need to do are to give your money to us and go back to fuck your personal affairs.

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catdog mention,

8-30-2007 at 12:12:08 ping from 222.146.123.175    

They are not all copies !! The fact is with most of these Chinese version cars that look like brands you know, is that they are all old models in the west and Japan, the big car makers simply sell the molds/design etc to the Chinese car makers and they add a Chinese engine or other domestic parts, I know I owned and drove a Landwind in China.its the same deal with motorcycles.

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GW Bush mention,

8-30-2007 at 14:38:20 ping from 67.40.28.29    

@Dagon2008

Die.

Hugs and Kisses, the U.S.A.

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Tiger SF mention,

8-30-2007 at 15:39:49 ping from 71.146.100.223    

In an age where technological advances moved so rapidly, the patent or copyright laws were basically formulated at another era. In fact, the protection given for these ideas, inventions or designs is much too long. The problem is companies are sitting on so-called patents to stifle innovations or competitions, and often did nothing with the patent but use it to blackmail companies which did. In America business methods are patentable, but outside of U.S. they are not. Elvis had been dead so long but his foundation and heirs are still collecting loyalty! If you look at Lexus designs and compare them to Mercedes or BMW, see any similarity? In a world of globalization, ideas, images, designs flow back and forth and hybrids fly here and there. The Chinese basically already adopted the attitude that they could not hide behind their patents if they have any as they are pretty realistic about enforcement of patent violations. So without such protection, the only way to survive economically as a business is to continue churning out products cheaply with designs the consumers want. The way things are going in China, European and American design firms are already operating in China offering their design expertise. And to produce cheaply, Chinese manufacturers are buying some old designs from the West. Shanghai Auto bought Land Rover at an auction and bought the designs and machineries and toolings. With globalization, cross breeding of ideas is an inevitable outcome. American manufacturers will copy too if they deem certain product of certain design or patent they don’t own if they can get away with it. Robert Kearns’ patented intermittent powered windshield wiper was demonstrated to Ford Motor and which introduced the intermittent wipers in 1978. Other automakers soon followed. Quess what, Robert Kerns spent years in litigation and eventually won multimillion dollar judgments. This didn’t happen in China. And the way the legal system is setup in the US, lots of inventors saw their inventions and ideas stolen in America but couldn’t do a thing because it is costly to litigate. US government isn’t going to do a thing for you.

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Tiger SF mention,

8-30-2007 at 15:51:39 ping from 71.146.100.223    

As an American, calling the Chinese “evil” is like calling all the Arabs or Muslims “terrorists.” If you have that simplistic mindset, you are fed too long the poison diet of American propaganda since 9/11.

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Matt Keegan mention,

8-30-2007 at 17:51:56 ping from 71.77.44.227    

China doesn’t respect copyrights and they don’t respect human rights — what else should we expect from a communist government?

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TigerSF mention,

8-31-2007 at 16:01:58 ping from 71.146.92.54    

Do we respect human rights? Ask those people in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq… for a start. If you are blind to what our government is doing, then don’t cry if you are blind-sided…

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China's iClone - World Affairs Board mention,

9-3-2007 at 09:40:16 ping from 66.246.72.93    

[...] The world of creative advertising

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China's iClone - World Affairs Board mention,

9-3-2007 at 09:59:10 ping from 66.246.72.93    

[...] The world of creative advertising

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Ruger06 mention,

9-3-2007 at 18:42:06 ping from 70.104.144.162    

TigerSF,
We may not have a perfect human rights record, but compared to some of the things China and other countries are doing we fare much better on that issue. Did the Taliban care about human rights? How about Saddam Hussien? Who’s human rights are being violated inside our country currently? Now compare to China.

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Initial.d mention,

9-5-2007 at 05:28:54 ping from 125.160.207.132    

@purplelambo
ENGLISH is nothing but just a language, maybe you are the fool one coz dont understand chinese so you can know our culture!

Communist government is really suck! but you can’t said all of chinese people so bad as you said before.

Don’t be so proude because you came from west.

For most asian people, west and mostly american is very bad guy.

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Tommyt mention,

9-11-2007 at 22:26:21 ping from 74.108.232.32    

If its wrong ,getting fake CDs and DVDs from china ,why are the govts in Europe and North america ,(US ,Canada UK )etc ,being chicken and not doing nothing about it ,even now ,all small item factories (were) are closing down,due to cheap products from china,and after this the whole western economy will drop like potatoes, bankruptcies,closing ,jobless,homeless,if you think its bad now, what else do “western” rely on, there is no cheap labour,etc. its no laughing matter,Hah ha ,where are all the economists, researchers,media moghuls,and TV networks ,etc who keep on promoting chinese and products etc, without highlighting the negatives ,they are copying $5 products and western landmarks too.and “west” is chicken and encouraging it, stupid

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Somedaaysoon mention,

9-12-2007 at 00:21:11 ping from 216.8.145.36    

I cant see what the big deal is.. They arent calling their Honqi a Rolls. All the car co’s swipe styling from each other.. Big deal. I can get a $15 Ik watch on ebay that started life as a fake rolex. I think it is bogus to wear a rolex, real or fake, but a $15, nice solid auto-winding mechanical watch is a piece of history! An even bigger piece of history if it keeps working for longer than a quartz watch. Neat stuff for everyone CHEAP! Intellectual property is fine & dandy, but it goes on TOOOOOO long. At some point EVERYTHING has to become open source.
And styling features on cars are right up there with fashion stuff for short shelf life.
Ps: the Chery QQ looks better than the original..
Daewoo should rip them off..

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wibble mention,

9-12-2007 at 12:00:19 ping from 212.69.56.246    

Whats funny about the slanging off of the Chinese is that a lot of the pictures from above, agreed not all, are vehicles made under licence or after old model bodyshell presses etc have been sold to China. The Matiz being the first obvious example!!! they bought the right to build that car, as no one in europe etc.. wants them anymore as a new model came out.. same goes for Vauxhall old models… ever been to India? they make a 1950′s british car to this day.. because they bought the right to, not because they copied it.

Agreed a lot of copying does go on and its not right, but get your facts and pictures straight first.. the beemer badge is seriously wrong, but no bmw employee is going to care because it will never be sold out of china, and because it looks to naff to ever sell as being a bmw quality car.

And soon worker in china will want more money, as the economy grows on this, and then the products will be no cheaper than ours.

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Dredd mention,

9-12-2007 at 17:18:15 ping from 77.177.90.100    

Let’s face it – what highly developed western countries have an advantage in is: know how. This is the most powerful (and for most western countries even the only) resource they’ve got.

Without being jingoistic: The British Empire showed how a such is cleverly used, economicaly speaking: Importing cheap resources from outside and selling products of much higher value, that simple cannot be reproduced by the counterpart because of lack of knowledge.

Beside the fact that this habit may be called exploitation, there is one problem with it: the modern phenomenon of the demand for the cheapest price (and be it only five cents).

The cheap resource China and other countries have to offer is labour. And at first glance the situation seems to apply to the tradional mercantile model. But to let these countries produce what you want, you need to teach them HOW to do it. So, driven by temporaly profit western countries are actually giving away there best and only joker, know how. For free.

China distinguishes from other “minor developed” countries in the facts that it is a) huge and resourceful, and b) that its leaders have understood how to cleverly use the situation for their country’s prosperation. As a matter of fact, the tremoundous grow of the country has only been made possible by the know how that other countries brought in. Some countries have resources, some have know how. China has them both.

The hope that China will comply with Copyright Laws is silly. Why should they by a BMW for 60.000 when they are build it themselves for the half? (Just an example, I don’t know if BMW’s running facilities in China.) Even now global acting companies are so much depending on China and I fear that in some decades the west won’t be in the position to make conditions at all. That’s the scent China has caught.

Predictions are delicate. But with the current happenings in mind, I must say that I find it very shortsighted to give away the basis of ones own wealth so easily, be it in consequence of good belief or hope for profit. Unfortunately, I don’t have a good solution either. To me it seems like filling gas into the tank of a stranger’s single seater hoping that he will take you with him. Looking at China I tend to say that he will be gone before you get the lid closed.

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AutoBrag Blog » Blog Archive » BMW and Smart Threaten Chinese Copy-Cats mention,

9-13-2007 at 15:44:33 ping from 4.79.233.3    

[...] has denied that Noble is a copy of Smart Fortwo, or its CEO of BMW’s X5. Take a look at these copycat pictures, you’ll be amazed by the similarities. Would someone please send them some designers and [...]

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H3nQ mention,

9-15-2007 at 08:29:05 ping from 212.45.52.229    

Something about the Vauxhall discussion.

Vauxhall cars are actually rebadged Opels, sold in The UK and apparently the US (I didn’t know that, I’m Dutch). Opel chose to give their cars in the US and UK another name because native English speakers wouldn’t like the sound of this very German word Opel. They would sell less cars if they didn’t change the name. Its not up to me to judge if that’s right, you tell me. The Australian Holden/Vauxhall thing has nothing to do with this, I don’t know why they’re called Vauxhall.

Of course al this Chinese copying of foreign products is horrible, but the Japanese and Koreans did it before. Example: compare the Lexus ls430 and Kia opirus with Mercedes. I like European design most. I think Asian cars look cheap, and American cars are sometimes a bit over the top (chrome rims, etc.) and don’t have enough sharp corners or edges (Today’s Lincoln town car), or too much of them (Modern Cadillacs). I like most american classics though.

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Singapor3 mention,

9-16-2007 at 21:33:41 ping from 202.156.13.1    

Damn, these Made-In-China cars looks way cheap compared to the original designs. They made an alien out of those designs, especially the BMW 7 Series.

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john mention,

9-27-2007 at 08:10:01 ping from 203.101.182.41    

they r hot.

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Skipper’s World » Blog Archive » Fahrzeugdesign auf chinesisch mention,

10-11-2007 at 17:57:55 ping from 195.47.247.70    

[...] Was nochmal das Copyright? [...]

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Kreative Autobauer at Honda Fanzine mention,

10-12-2007 at 06:32:05 ping from 213.83.63.50    

[...] Ja, in China, da wird Kreativität noch groß geschrieben. Zumindest wenn es ums kopieren ge… Pkw anbieten [...]

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Erlebnisblog.de » Blog Archiv » del.icio.us mention,

10-15-2007 at 14:48:29 ping from 85.25.64.184    

[...] The world of creative advertising » The Chinese fully ignore copyrights [...]

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Dentaku » Blog Archiv » links for 2007-10-15 mention,

10-15-2007 at 19:36:16 ping from 213.239.206.203    

[...] The Chinese fully ignore copyrights Mercedes C vs Geely Merrie 300 Neoplan Starliner vs Zonda A9 Smart vs er. Chinese Smart … (tags: auto design china) [...]

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Linklist P0rno! 9.0 | Emotional Overdose mention,

10-17-2007 at 12:43:25 ping from 80.67.17.127    

[...] Weed | Strapless | Eines Tages | Freiwilliger im Irak | Haie = Mörder? | Keine Freunde mit Salat | The Chinese fully ignore Copyrights | Terroranschlag vortäuschen | Roland Freisler 1 2 | Wegen Joint nackt ausgezogen | Aua!!! | [...]

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maromi mention,

10-19-2007 at 11:46:38 ping from 170.185.184.19    

FYI: monkey see monkey do.
that’s what all this shit is about, but noone’s ideas will ever be the same on a subjet like this. and FYI: americans have bad ass ideas so fuck it.

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maromi mention,

10-19-2007 at 11:48:08 ping from 170.185.184.19    

besides, americans seem to rip of film ideas so i guess that makes us even . . . for now.lol

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maromi mention,

10-19-2007 at 11:52:54 ping from 170.185.184.19    

wonder who will copy whose ideas next?
g2g, see ya ass wipes.

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TurboFresh mention,

12-18-2007 at 18:40:04 ping from 217.160.230.174    

[...] China is so flattering… Tuesday December 18th 2007, 5:35 pm Some people believe it is not politically correct to assume that China is still the reigning kings of copyright infringement or that millions of creative hours in designs and intellectual properties are being knocked-off on a daily basis. Well wake up and smell the rice cooking. Here are some pretty ballsy and obvious rip-offs in the automotive world. Yes, the Chinese are not limited to paying homage to electronics and designer bags. That is a Mercedes-Benz copy on the right. See more… [...]

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Albert Zablit - Photography and everything else » The Chinese and copyright issues? mention,

12-22-2007 at 14:53:27 ping from 74.208.16.78    

[...] The rest can be found here. [...]

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спанак.орг mention,

1-11-2008 at 08:23:56 ping from 83.148.64.70    

Пиратството в Китай…

Досега бяхме свидетели на Adibas, Niki и Soni, но приятелите ни от Китай вече са дръпнали стабилно с материала и са подпукали автомобилите ….
Merc…

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dog puhs mention,

1-12-2008 at 13:02:09 ping from 122.255.2.52    

Americans are known thieves for centuries, they had stolen from Asia and now they are paying back

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hermiessaid mention,

1-15-2008 at 16:10:42 ping from 67.161.181.235    

hermies said,
8-16-2007 in 08:17:32 at 202.7.176.133

Dudes, stop talking shit. Go learn something about the car industry!
These “evil clones” as u call them are nothing more than liscened reproductions. Old equiptment is sold off to generate revenue, The last one on the page is clearly not a copy other than a similar badge. But all the rest are not cheap knockoffs. They are made by different companies using almost exactly the same manufacturing equiptment, and sometimes in the same factory. This would only be illegal if they were actually being badged them as mercedes and toyota’s etc. This headline is incredibly defamatory and is totally innacurate. CAW should be ashamed.

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Unknown mention,

1-15-2008 at 23:19:02 ping from 68.6.68.10    

First of all, I would like to say that I have read most of these comments, and agree with different point of views. I was born in *America* Whatever that means.. considering South, Central and North Americans all have the right to call themselves just that, Americans. I can clearly see and understand why China is using similar designs to their Westerns Neighbors, Chinese citizens crave Western goods, and whether we admit it or not, We crave CHEAP goods.. far as I can see it’s a tradeoff. Lastly, I respect and admire all the cultures of this world we all inhabit, Please dont associate all of us living in the Americas with the ignorance of a few people, I don’t judge or charazterize your nations, I ask that you dont label all AMERICANS as Ignorant, oil hungry Barbarians :)

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Mehmet Demirdişer » Blog Archive » Ne alırsan -1 YTL- Çinlilerin esinlendiği otomobiller mention,

1-17-2008 at 10:16:28 ping from 89.149.242.162    

[...] Bu sitede Çinlilerin esinlendiği otomobilleri görebilirsiniz. [...]

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Çin : Klonlama merkezi - bloglamaca.com mention,

1-17-2008 at 10:39:13 ping from 212.175.17.98    

[...] başlıca işi olan her markanın taklidini yapma artık sınırtanımaz boyutlara ulaşmış. Bu sitede ayrıntıları ile görebileceğiniz taklit ürünlerden işte birkaç [...]

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Çinliler taklitte sınır tanımıyor… | Bizim Neyimiz Eksik? mention,

1-17-2008 at 15:13:02 ping from 84.51.17.38    

[...] taklitçiliği dilleri destan elbette ama açıkçası ben bu kardar abarttıklarını bilmiyordum. şu site dünyanın en ünlü araç markalarının çin taklitlerini derlemiş.derlemede dikkati [...]

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dog push mention,

1-22-2008 at 13:10:09 ping from 122.255.2.195    

sorry “unknown” I should have used USA, but for this (I ask that you don’t label all AMERICANS as Ignorant, oil hungry Barbarians) I don’t see any proof not to say that they are barbarians pls help me by protesting to what ur gov is doing to Iraq, Cuba, Iran, china, …… n whole world

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Fernando mention,

1-22-2008 at 15:37:07 ping from 32.59.64.44    

Both Vauxhall and Holden are owned by General Motors. The logo on this car looks like a Vauxhall, but it is the same, GM sells the same products under different brands for different markets. What in UK is sold under Vauxhall, is sold in the rest of Europe under Opel, Holden in Australia and Chevrolet in America.

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Cum copiaza chinezii masinile « viaRomania.eu mention,

1-29-2008 at 10:57:38 ping from 72.232.131.32    

[...] ianuarie 29, 2008 Iata cateva poze cu modele de masini foarte cunoscute si copiile lor chinezesti. Restul exemplelor aici. [...]

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Shy mention,

1-30-2008 at 02:12:12 ping from 67.38.6.188    

Firstly I want to point out to those that think all Chinese are evil and too those thing American is ignorant, they are not!

I just want to say that no matter how it goes in the world, we are in the century of globalization! Also, if everyone is blaming the Chinese Communist Part as evil, I can simply imply that Democracy is evil too. What is the point of arguing? There is no right or wrong answers to these statement!

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Alex mention,

2-25-2008 at 14:52:20 ping from 170.158.127.50    

You all are gay fagets who like to talk about this stuff i just happen to be a stdent who is bored and went online and found pictures of old starwars charecters. And here you guys are talking about chinees cars like it is a political tole. LATER FAGS.

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Joe mention,

2-26-2008 at 09:18:55 ping from 24.141.122.144    

You guys both are gay in the sense that you both have asian art as your dp, if you guys were actualy american and not some asian shrink dinks then you guys would have normal pictures beside your names.

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Mr XiaoMin mention,

3-15-2008 at 01:49:44 ping from 124.114.180.134    

Chinanes are known thieves for centuries, they had stolen from Asia and now they are paying back

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Frankfurt Musikmesse 2008 - Erlebnisblog.de mention,

3-18-2008 at 14:43:45 ping from 85.25.64.184    

[...] möglichst viele billige Produkte zu bauen, die den bekannten Topmodellen stark ähneln. Man kennt das ja. (Wichtig: Die Japaner sind völlig anders, hier kommen die starken Marken wie Roland und [...]

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Miguel mention,

4-13-2008 at 15:41:29 ping from 72.145.34.94    

Well It might seen odd but what about Harley-Davidson and a Chiniese imitation well I heard that people never had a problem with a Chinese imitation of a Harley compare to people that do have problems with a real Harley what about the Ford Mustang do Geely make a great imitation of a Ford Mustang, well I do give a shit about Chinese imitations even in cars and motorcycles it is time to defend the American industry the best solution is to do with China is what the US did to Cuba embago.

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www.icdl-direct.com mention,

4-26-2008 at 20:13:35 ping from 80.168.173.27    

http://www.icdl-direct.com...

This actually ties into an interesting post Mr Cowen authored a while ago on the strategy of book cover design– well worth reading if you haven’t already. The question as it relates to this conversation is then: can you judge a book by its blogger? L…

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HemiPower mention,

5-6-2008 at 04:36:24 ping from 90.192.108.153    

The Chinese have the ability to produce the best in the world just as we other countries.
What happens when we ask the Chinese to manufacture something at a cheaper price is this; Produce 10,000 childrens toys of one design, ie a toy car of the latest Mercedes SLK. Now they cannot make more than 10,000 items but by ignoring the quality control originaly set up, they can then introduce cheaper materials with complete disregard to the consequenses. Thus increasing the companies and shareholders profits.
China listen ! you have not lost face you have thrown it away, hopefully you will kill the golden goose, cook it and eat it then hopefully go back to being the third world economy you so deserve.
Unfortunately people will continue to buy your inferior products simply because they are cheap.
Thry making something with more than one part that is A,value for money,B, lasts more than the warrenty and people can proudly say “Made in China”

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smartcars mention,

5-11-2008 at 16:15:51 ping from 216.195.37.11    

[...] smartcar, etc…See how closely their cars resemble cars from other manufacturers around the world.http://creativeadvertisingworld.com/bmw-7-vs-byd-f6/Flickr: Smart carsIt&39s time for a revolution in transportation and Smart cars will certainly be [...]

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isuzu rodeo mention,

5-18-2008 at 17:17:10 ping from 63.135.26.32    

the vauxhall/opel frontera and the landwind are totally different they just look the same cuz i have a 2001 isuzu rodeo (american version of vauxhall/opel frontera) and i was in a crash at 55 mph and it didnt get destroyed like the landwind so at least they only steal the look.

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Empresa Nevados del Sur SAC mention,

5-23-2008 at 16:23:21 ping from 190.42.81.211    

Perú 23 de mayo de 2008 – Juliaca
Estimated Masters Representatives of the Company of buses Zonda
Very interesting his(her,your) page we us would be interested in connecting and knowing very deeply on the pro forma one of the bus Neoplan Starliner vs Zonda A9 That shows us: designs, characteristics, comforts, capacities, and the whole equipment(equipping) so much internal and external divides(departs) the service of passengers’ transport. And also advantages and disadvantages show climatic conditions, and the functioning of the engine to diesel and natural gas.
Attentivly,
Gerente de Nevados del Sur SAC.

nevados-del-sur-sac@hotmail.com

* We wait for his(her,your) prompt response

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*so you all know that I am GOD mention,

5-28-2008 at 03:20:58 ping from 59.92.88.34    

As such it is better for the chinese cars to be introduced into the international market as they will be very much affordable

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Nevados del sur SAC mention,

6-3-2008 at 18:20:45 ping from 190.42.22.68    

PERU 03 de Juniodel 2008

SEÑORES REPRESENTANTES DE LA EMPRESA ZONDA – CHINA

Estamos interesados en adquirir una nueva flota de buses para la apertura de una nueva empresa de transporte de pasajeros teniendo ya la concesión de rutas bajo un perfil de proyecto, favor de remitirnos las siguientes:
- precios
- modelos
- características
- comodidades
- condiciones climáticas
- motor (diesel o gas natural)
- ventajas y desventajas
- y otros
- imágenes tanto interno y externo

Atentamente,

Empresa de Transporte Nevados del Sur SAC

Juliaca – Perú
Correo electrónico: nevados-del-sur-sac@hotmail.com

MASTERS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMPANY ZONDA – SMALL
STONE
We are interested in acquiring a new fleet of buses for the opening of a new company of passengers’ transport having already the grant of routes under a profile of project, favor of sending the following ones:
- Prices – models – characteristics – comforts – climatic conditions – engine (diesel or natural gas) – advantages and disadvantages – and others – images so much internal and external.
Attentivly,
Empresa de Transporte Nevados del Sur SAC

Juliaca – Perú
E-mail nevados-del-sur-sac@hotmail.com

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Why think up a new design if you can copy it? « Replica Galore mention,

6-17-2008 at 05:07:57 ping from 66.135.48.186    

[...] Creativeadvertisingworld.com has a nice post showing some of the most blatant copies of car designs. Click here to read it. [...]

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BMW video collection mention,

6-26-2008 at 11:38:07 ping from 149.20.54.204    

BMW video collection…

Lazy ass copy cats. They cant mess with GM coz its the worlds biggest car manufacturer. They cant mess with Rolls Royce coz BMW will be pissed and they Cant mess with honda coz honda is honda. but they can mess with daewoo. I think that we should all b…

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bhum mention,

7-17-2008 at 10:12:34 ping from 212.85.201.246    

China is doing a great deal for the common man who cant boast of the littlest luxury of owing western products. Western countries should stop the hypocrisies and and consider the common laborer whose toil and hardwork provide the elite with their luxuries. At least Chinese product feeds and cloth the poor and gives him a little pride as a human. Allow their product to give the poor man i little dignity of life. Should you think otherwise advise the overly greedy companies to have the impoverished in mind something obviously they cannot do for profit must be maximized. Who run to the third world countries for cheaper labor and sell their toils back to them at astronomically prices.

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musico mention,

7-22-2008 at 10:23:47 ping from 64.178.212.7    

I just have to say I’m not american,european or chinese. I’m looking at this as an emerging economy fenomena. Chinese are not new to this concepts(cars) but are new to exporting theese in a masive way to western countries. I beleve they are doing their best using desing concepts that are been generaly acepted by western countries. I will call this a low risk desicion, were they are designing cars that apeals to acepted western concepts. These are not copyrigth isues because they are not exactly the same. I will say that these chinese models are inspired on western car models. Due to globalization, the western world has been importing goods to China. Chinese are producing now what the western have show them for decades. Still, there is a huge challenge for China, and that is to compete with western world quality and satisfaction standards,that are not that good ether, but the western cutomer will not acept anything below theire satisfaction stadards.

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Dallasdeckard mention,

9-7-2008 at 08:35:21 ping from 24.27.73.170    

Trinity wrote:

“What happened when Microsoft outright COPIED the Mac GUI? Or when the guys from Apple copied it from the researchers at Xerox PARC?”

WHOA! Way different, my friend! Parc was *experimental* and when Jobs asked permission from Xerox to look at Parc (and paid for the privilege), there was an understanding that he would use what he saw to create a new computer system. Xerox NEVER sued Apple for what they did, in fact they were rather proud that Jobs utilized their vision.

Microsoft is a WHOLE other issue! John Sculley gave Jobs permission to copy *some* elements of the Mac OS, in exchange for him continuing to develop Word for the Mac, in other words Jobs blackmailed Sculley to get him to do that. However, Jobs took that agreement and basically used it to *completely* copy the Mac OS. Before that, Windows didn’t have overlapping windows and stuff like that. Apple sued Microsoft and won some minor concessions, but the genie was out of the bottle and that was that.

But you *cannot* compare what Microsoft did to Apple to the agreement that Jobs and Xerox had, which was *entirely* okay with Xerox. Also, if you look at the first Lisa (and the first Mac) things are VERY different. But, that doesn’t matter anyway because, as I said, Xerox gave Apple PERMISSION to use what they say, and Apple PAID for that right. It was a fair and agreed upon arrangement. Totally different from the THEFT of intellectual property that occurred between Microsoft and Apple.

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sudhaman mention,

12-4-2008 at 13:47:57 ping from 218.248.68.203    

those bastards making lot of GDP with american technology

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Bobity mention,

12-11-2008 at 03:07:39 ping from 24.16.138.249    

the nissan xtrail lookalike is actually a ford explorer one

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Contra mention,

4-3-2009 at 13:37:19 ping from 96.242.102.250    

The Chinese government, managed by the communist party in China had become one of the worst forms of government in the history of the world… They in complicity with big companies exploit their workers. and away from the fundamentals of communism they have allow the rise of a new rich and powerful class in china. They don’t respect nature, they don’t respect animals and as Gandhi said “the level of a society can be seen in how animals are treated.”. “many dogs have died slow, agonizing deaths in these mass slaughters, which illustrate the nation’s lack of adequate animal control plans.”(peta.org)… they have no moral or ethics at money-making-time and they are stealing designs from cars to coach purses, and even a zippo lighter STOP CHINA NOW!!! cheap is never better

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skyline mention,

4-23-2009 at 17:00:14 ping from 68.181.176.32    

I think Chinese copying these designs is okay. But just the fact that way they do it just mocks those who originally put so much care and effort in designing those cars. As much as its about the laws, its about courtesy. So please be courteous to those who spend so much time designing them. Thanks.

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the-neta mention,

6-2-2009 at 07:30:23 ping from 200.56.134.222    

The Chinese are the kings of piracy on everything but they do not like them steal your ideas, I think that since the traveler Marco Polo pirating is common for them but did not steal ideas to them that you demand

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ridwanzero mention,

12-29-2009 at 07:17:34 ping from 122.167.117.182    

Everyone has their favorite way of using the internet. Many of us search to find what we want, click in to a specific website, read what’s available and click out. That’s not necessarily a bad thing because it’s efficient. We learn to tune out things we don’t need and go straight for what’s essential……

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Anonymous mention,

3-7-2010 at 14:27:07 ping from 98.165.43.31    

How can I buy a China Mainland made car with the following features:

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paganifan921 mention,

4-12-2011 at 17:10:59 ping from 86.10.179.215    

Why copy every single other car brand? Is it because whoever’s doing the copying have no good ideas of their own?

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aliraad mention,

9-10-2011 at 05:11:30 ping from 85.15.44.172    

I hate thath people who live in america and said we hate amiracans and live in democratic air and us it for seying nonssens to democratic peaople
look out that chineees company use peaple that work for $1. for a day and they dont pey for designing of this world most beuty cars and using revers engineering.
this is not contery growing up this is not since.
we are not talk about a bilion of chines people just a chines Government and who make “(persian)Iranian kashan carpet copy” make change “BMW to BYD”.we can stop it with dont buy this trashes

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